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Post by Greg H on Mar 13, 2008 0:31:27 GMT
at the end of the day we have to accept that maybe all existing who has been recovered Have a bit of optimism people!! We never know our luck, something great could be just around the corner
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Post by John Andersen on Mar 13, 2008 17:54:23 GMT
at the end of the day we have to accept that maybe all existing who has been recovered Have a bit of optimism people!! We never know our luck, something great could be just around the corner I think we know our luck when it comes to recovering Doctor Who episodes over the last fifteen years. Our luck has been pretty bad.
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Post by Greg H on Mar 13, 2008 19:53:54 GMT
Well, it hasnt all been bad. We've got a couple things back, not to mention A for andromeda and some other classy sci fi. Its not worth getting down about, im certain there will be another recovery or two in the next decade.
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Post by John Andersen on Mar 14, 2008 4:37:08 GMT
Well, it hasnt all been bad. We've got a couple things back, not to mention A for andromeda and some other classy sci fi. Its not worth getting down about, im certain there will be another recovery or two in the next decade. When one considers all the hoaxes and disappointments Doctor Who fans have had to endure over the years, there are not many bright spots in terms of episodes being found over the last fifteen years. Things look very bleak.
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Post by William Martin on Mar 14, 2008 14:15:33 GMT
since 100% efficiency is impossible there will always be some episodes that slip through the net, we will probably never recover all the existing material but there will be more episodes to find, the next target needs to be film collectors, I know many have already been contacted but there are many that haven't also we need to try and track down more 60s home video owners apart from that just keep on searching the normal way, but I agree that it is possible that everything that's going to be returned had been returned.
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Post by John Andersen on Mar 14, 2008 16:00:32 GMT
since 100% efficiency is impossible there will always be some episodes that slip through the net, we will probably never recover all the existing material but there will be more episodes to find, the next target needs to be film collectors, I know many have already been contacted but there are many that haven't also we need to try and track down more 60s home video owners apart from that just keep on searching the normal way, but I agree that it is possible that everything that's going to be returned had been returned. Film collectors seem to be the only hope left. Sadly, many film collectors do not trust the BBC or other organizations for fear of prosecution and having their film collections seized and destroyed. Neil Lambess, who tracked down The Lion in 1999, mentioned that New Zealand film collectors said Grenville should not have come forward and returned the print. What made the situation worse was the press reporting a story that the BBC sent Grenville a letter saying that he could be in a difficult legal situation if he sold the print. This behavior only confirmed what those film collectors already believed, so I do not see anybody coming forward with film prints anytime soon.
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Post by William Martin on Mar 14, 2008 16:49:23 GMT
it's a tricky situation those in the know can be rather awkrard even as you say the beeb can be rather perverse at times, I have found a few film collectors who know nothing about missing episodes, it's always worth asking them to keep any TRs for you, but as you say it is very nescessary to tread carefully, I didn't know about the NZ film collectors, what was their problem with what Neil did, was it legal?
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Post by Greg H on Mar 14, 2008 18:21:04 GMT
It is true that the 'powers that bee' have been arsey in the past, but times have changed and hopefully film collectors will be aware of this! Though I see no reason why they should be really. But in terms of recoveries, episode hunters have only really scratched the surface when it comes to early home video recordings. There may well be a wealth of missing material out there. There may not. But, I think the odds are rather good for one of the most popular TV shows of its time having been recorded and fereted away somewhere at least a few times in the 60s. Its not at all impossible that things will still float to the surface in the next decade. Lance M has turned some stuff up, and other hunters may find more things. There is also the possibility of things turning up in foreign archives or 16mm film collectors being found in obscure corners of the globe. The show isnt over yet IMO. Quote me on that
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Post by John Andersen on Mar 15, 2008 2:33:31 GMT
it's a tricky situation those in the know can be rather awkrard even as you say the beeb can be rather perverse at times, I have found a few film collectors who know nothing about missing episodes, it's always worth asking them to keep any TRs for you, but as you say it is very nescessary to tread carefully, I didn't know about the NZ film collectors, what was their problem with what Neil did, was it legal? There have been instances where film collectors have been prosecuted under the law and have had their collections seized and destroyed. There were a couple NZ collectors that were strongly against Grenville coming forward and returning the print because they thought he would be prosecuted and have had his collection taken away. The BBC sent Grenville a letter stating what his legal situation could become and the press wrote a story on that. Any film collector seeing that story in the papers would most likely not come forward if that is the kind of treatment they would expect to get.
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Post by Greg H on Mar 15, 2008 14:51:00 GMT
it's a tricky situation those in the know can be rather awkrard even as you say the beeb can be rather perverse at times, I have found a few film collectors who know nothing about missing episodes, it's always worth asking them to keep any TRs for you, but as you say it is very nescessary to tread carefully, I didn't know about the NZ film collectors, what was their problem with what Neil did, was it legal? There have been instances where film collectors have been prosecuted under the law and have had their collections seized and destroyed. There were a couple NZ collectors that were strongly against Grenville coming forward and returning the print because they thought he would be prosecuted and have had his collection taken away. The BBC sent Grenville a letter stating what his legal situation could become and the press wrote a story on that. Any film collector seeing that story in the papers would most likely not come forward if that is the kind of treatment they would expect to get. Thats their choice really isnt it. But it is akin to superstition in all fairness and is just bloody minded on their part. The BBC are OBVIOUSLY not going to bitch if someone gives back a Hancock or something..................... No prosecutions or anything. But if some little **** needs an excuse to hoard something, im sure they might use this sort of fiction as some kind of mantra. Just my opinion.
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Post by myreignofterror on Mar 16, 2008 3:56:14 GMT
I like it when clips show up, it gives us an idea of what the episodes would have been like, Of course it is nothing like watching an actual episode.
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Post by johnstewart on Mar 16, 2008 19:57:27 GMT
at the end of the day we have to accept that maybe all existing who has been recovered I agree Rich we have been lucky over the years; but I very much doubt all that exists has been recovered... Whether we can prove it or get it back is a different matter!
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Post by John Andersen on Mar 17, 2008 17:31:07 GMT
at the end of the day we have to accept that maybe all existing who has been recovered I agree Rich we have been lucky over the years; but I very much doubt all that exists has been recovered... Whether we can prove it or get it back is a different matter! Yeah, that is a big problem. If we can't get them back, then the film prints are just as lost with no hope of return.
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