Hey Lance - Sydney Newman doc

[Jon Preddle]

Did you ever find out the name of that programme being recorded on that interview tape you got? You though it might have been Out of the Unknown...?

cheers

Jon

[LanceM]

Hello John,

I have been still attempting to ascertain which show was being shown in the documentary I received. The guys at the BBC really do need to get a copy sent in from the CBC. However, these things take a great deal of time, never fear will get to the bottom of this mystery, am hoping it is indeed from Out Of The Unknown, definitely has a sci-fi look about it.

As I have discovered that this documentary is a BBC Enterprises Documentary, and thus would fall under BBC copyright, that they might be given a viewing copy at least to view and research. The Out Takes that were there were different camera angles in the office, but the studio footage ended with a shot of Newman in the BBC TV control room, looking at the monitors with the technicians, definitely looks at home.

Cheers, Lance.

[John Andersen]

lancem said:

Hello John,

I have been still attempting to ascertain which show was being shown in the documentary I received. The guys at the BBC really do need to get a copy sent in from the CBC. However, these things take a great deal of time, never fear will get to the bottom of this mystery, am hoping it is indeed from Out Of The Unknown, definitely has a sci-fi look about it.

Cheers, Lance.

I just hope I don't run out of regenerations before we get to the bottom of the mystery.

[Adrian Gregg]

sorry if this has been asked before, but is is possible to have a few screengrabs?
you never know we might know what it is.

[LanceM]

Hello Again,

Regarding the documentary, it is an issue of rights that are currently under investigation at present. As this item is listed as a CBC item, but is most definitely a BBC program, not CBC as was originally explained. I was under the impression that the original film reel and out-takes were donated to the CBC through Newman's daughter Deidre Newman, along with a mass of personal diaries, written manuscripts, TV production notes, as well as the documentary. I would of thought that Newman either was given a copy by BBC Enterprises, or had ordered a copy for personal viewing purposes. I did hear that some of the written manuscripts in this collection were damaged by a flood in their basement at some point. Thankfully this reel and outtakes were spared any damage. After passing on Deidre deposited the collection with the National Archives of the Canadian Government, and later the film came to rest in the CBC, as it was apparently re-canned at some point with a CBC archive film can. This is where I believe the mis-interpretation that this was a CBC interview came about.

I doubt that putting screen grabs on the net would be seen in a favorable light by the copyright holders. Believe me, I am as interested as the rest of you to get to the bottom of this mystery. The BBC archives really need to talk to the CBC archives about arranging a consultation copy to be sent over for authentication, and viewing. They might be able to figure out what BBC TV series was being shot. The sooner they get on the ball on this, the sooner we will have an answer on the footage. This footage and interview would be an excellent inclusion on a early classic Dr Who ( discussed some by Newman and reporter)release, or Armchair Theater ( discussed a lot in the interview) on DVD.

Also I have finally been able to screen another item of interest. Earlier this year I was able to purchase from a private collector a 16mm BBC Telerecording of an edition of "Captain Pugwash". The Telerecording logo used in the film would date the film to late 1950's. It came with it's original BBC film can which read " BBC Transcription Unit, For Germany, For Demonstration Purposes Only, Captain Pugwash, Episode 1, Reel 1 of 1". The episode has the Captain Pugwash credits, intro and conclusion, however there is no episode title displayed on screen. The story goes that the Captain is having his birthday party and cake up on the deck, with the rest of the mates of the Black Pig. When suddenly one mate ( drunk from too much rum) mentions Cutthroat Jake, then he is there on the side of the deckrail, and a sword fight ensues between Pugwash and Jake into the rafters . Tom of course saves the day as usual.by tricking Jake to bury his sowrd into a wooden post, then clobbering him over the head with a rolling pin. Jake is then thrown over the side ( cusring all the time ), and they go back to their party, and drinking rum. Peter Hawkins who did Dalek and Cybermen voices provides the voices of the crew and Jake. Have contacted the BBC archives about this item. But am unable to see which edition it may be, if it is missing or not from the BBC Archives ?

Any further assistance from the BBC here would be much appreciated regarding these two items.

Cheers, Lance.

[Adrian Gregg]

But don't you have a copy ? couden't you sent yours to some select ppl's at the beeb? just to get the ball rolling. In all honesty i don't think the beeb will do anything about this.

[Rob Moss]

ade42 said:

But don't you have a copy ? couden't you sent yours to some select ppl's at the beeb? just to get the ball rolling. In all honesty i don't think the beeb will do anything about this.

I'm sure Lance signed an agreement not to pass on his copy to anyone - technically this includes the copyright holders!

[Paul Vanezis]

robmoss said:

I'm sure Lance signed an agreement not to pass on his copy to anyone - technically this includes the copyright holders!

Actually, passing on a copy to the copyright holder would fall outside of the agreement if there was such a thing. The agreement would be to protect the material. Regardless of the actual issuer of the material, if the footage turns out to be owned by someone else, in this case BBC Enterprises, it would be perfectly approriate to pass it on. If Lance wants to send a copy to either me or Andrew Martin (would be best) it can then be identified and cross referenced with the BBC holdings and if missing, the originals sourced from overseas.

Technically, if it is BBC Copyright and Sydney aquired the material in the course of his work, it is still the property of the BBC.

Cheers,

Paul