missing episodes the facts

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out of all 108 there are 45 hartnells and 63 Troughtons missing i just hope the we recover more troughtons than hartnells from now on. as his era Is seriously under represented in the archives at least with hartnell we have the majority rather Than minority

[Richard Bignell]

Thanks for letting us all know "the facts"!

I'm sure we're all really enlightened!

Richard

[Daniel O'Brien]

Not sure why you posted this information - as it's well known to 'Who' fans - but I doubt any more Troughton episodes will be found. Censor clips or off-air 8mm footage, maybe, but anything more substantial would be a minor TV miracle.

[Greg H]

I am firmly of the opinion that there are more troughtons out there, its just a matter of waiting for them to surface, imo.

[LanceM]

I also Agree with GH on this subject. I do believe that there are missing UK TV episodes out there, the Missing Believed Wiped annual meeting has proved this. As well as the Kaleidoscope efforts, who have given tremendous services top fans of lost classic UK TV.

There were the episodes of Associated Rediffusion that were recovered last year. As well as an episode of Out Of The Unknown and A for Andromeda ( Face of The Tiger ). These items were thought lost too, but have been found after all these decades. The perseverance of film historians, researchers, and fans is making a difference in the gaps of UK TV history. I am also confident that 2007 will yield some interesting material. As attention to missing material has already been stated this year by Raiders Of The Lost Archive. Given the show was a not well received apparently, they did manage to alert the modern public to the need for return and location of these lost items of Britain's past.

Matt; One reason there might be more Hartnell episodes vs. Troughton episodes is at the time the Hartnell editions were favored more than Troughtons stories. Hartnell adventures also saw healthy overseas sales. I hope this clears some of the confusion.

Lance.

[Greg H]

And additionally dont forget, as I recall, pamela Nash came accross nearly complete prints for the first 2 seasons on BBC enterprises premises, without which Hartnell would be in pretty sorry shape! Pity the same didnt happen for our man Pat as well.

[Scott J.]

I think you mean Sue Malden rather than Nash. Nash was the one who ordered them all junked . . .

[Daniel O'Brien]

gh said:

I am firmly of the opinion that there are more troughtons out there, its just a matter of waiting for them to surface, imo.

I believe that more missing TV episodes will be found. Last year's recoveries were very encouraging. I would point out that 'A for Andromeda' part 6 had been known about for years. The problem - as I understand it - was the price, which Ian Levine generously met.

Regarding 'Doctor Who', I've been given the following explanation as to why certain seasons were hit hardest by the archive purge. The first two seasons survived largely intact because they were still selling abroad when the foreign sales rights came up for renewal. The prints remained in circulation well into the 1970s, and didn't get back to BBC Enterprises until relatively late in the junking process. Even here, 'Marco Polo' remains lost, while 'Reign of Terror', 'The Lionheart' and 'The Time Meddler' were recovered - in whole or part - from overseas TV stations and/or private collectors. Famously, 'The Daleks' only escaped junking by a day or so.

Seasons three, four and five were junked relatively early - I think - because of their low overseas sales. With foreign buyers showing little interest, BBC Enterprises had no reason to renew the overseas rights or retain the 16mm film prints. In 1972, the decision was made to start junking 'useless' material and the rest - sadly - is history.

This is one reason why I doubt any more Troughton episodes will surface. True, 'Tomb of the Cybermen' came out of the blue, but that was fifteen years ago. I can't see us getting that lucky again. People have now been searching for lost 'Who' episodes for nearly 30 years.

[Greg H]

HAHAHAHAH!!!
Yeah, I must have been on drugs to get the evilest woman ever known mixed up with good old sue!
FREAKY freudian slip.