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Post by phil morris on Aug 2, 2005 6:32:18 GMT
does anyone know,what ian levine,plans to do about the recovery of missing episodes,i myself have been considering,a little overseas travel, i work overseas and i think by traveling to some or even all countrys and searching ,is maybe the best way now,of finally putting the rumours,and stories to rest,if its there lets go there,and ask politely it can do no harm,who knows i might turn up a thing or two.
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Post by Wright Blan on Aug 3, 2005 4:19:30 GMT
does anyone know,what ian levine,plans to do about the recovery of missing episodes,i myself have been considering,a little overseas travel, i work overseas and i think by traveling to some or even all countrys and searching ,is maybe the best way now,of finally putting the rumours,and stories to rest,if its there lets go there,and ask politely it can do no harm,who knows i might turn up a thing or two. Going overseas and asking to chack their tv stations archives might not be a wise thing to do without some kind of accreditation. I've begun to feel that this is a big roadblock in episode retrieval. I feel that say, if you sent a letter to an overseas broadcaster that read something like: " I'm John Smith and I represent Such-and-Such, and we are working with the British Broadcasting Corp. to locate and retrieve film or video containing BBC programming that is currently unacounted for." This would probably be better than writing "Hi, I'm a fan of Doctor Who. Would you happen to have a copy of "The Tenth Planet" ep. 4 somewhere in your country? Could you stop any and all important business you may have going on to look for it?" Obviously getting the Beeb to sigh off on this would be a chore. But if they're not footing the bill. It might be easier. |
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Post by phil morris on Aug 3, 2005 5:26:40 GMT
yes i see your point,i have contacted the restoration team,and offered my services,free at no cost to them ,whatsoever,but i have had no reply.you are perfectly right the beeb themselves should do this,but they dont seem to want to know,official paperwork and authorisation,from the beeb would have been great,but if not forthcoming i will go it alone with whatever ,background information i can find and see were it leads me,any help from anyone interested will be much appreciated,to all fans i will give it my best shot for dr who
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Post by Wright Blan on Aug 3, 2005 15:46:23 GMT
yes i see your point,i have contacted the restoration team,and offered my services,free at no cost to them ,whatsoever,but i have had no reply.you are perfectly right the beeb themselves should do this,but they dont seem to want to know,official paperwork and authorisation,from the beeb would have been great,but if not forthcoming i will go it alone with whatever ,background information i can find and see were it leads me,any help from anyone interested will be much appreciated,to all fans i will give it my best shot for dr who It's probably not that the Beeb doesn't want to know as much as it's the Beeb doesn't have a vast pool of resources (i.e. money) to go globetrotting to look for lost material. They really have better things to do. Like actually looking for a way to get the new series on American tv. |
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Post by Robbie Moubert on Aug 4, 2005 2:05:27 GMT
yes i see your point,i have contacted the restoration team,and offered my services,free at no cost to them ,whatsoever,but i have had no reply.you are perfectly right the beeb themselves should do this,but they dont seem to want to know,official paperwork and authorisation,from the beeb would have been great,but if not forthcoming i will go it alone with whatever ,background information i can find and see were it leads me,any help from anyone interested will be much appreciated,to all fans i will give it my best shot for dr who Do you really think that TV stations are just going to open their doors to anyone that turns up? It's time to face facts; the available evidence says that there are no missing episodes in the hands of overseas broadcasters. Just because a Doctor Who fan turns up on their doorstep doesn't mean they're going to search their archives. Put yourself in their place. They already know they don't have any episodes so why should they waste their time searching? Yes, there's a slim chance that an episode could be hidden away somewhere in the wrong can, but it's unrealistic to expect every can of film in an archive to be physically checked on the extremelyremote chance that something might be found. And to be brutally frank, judging by your posts here, you shouldn't even think of writing to anyone until you've learnt the correct use of punctuation. |
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Post by Wright Blan on Aug 4, 2005 4:46:59 GMT
yes i see your point,i have contacted the restoration team,and offered my services,free at no cost to them ,whatsoever,but i have had no reply.you are perfectly right the beeb themselves should do this,but they dont seem to want to know,official paperwork and authorisation,from the beeb would have been great,but if not forthcoming i will go it alone with whatever ,background information i can find and see were it leads me,any help from anyone interested will be much appreciated,to all fans i will give it my best shot for dr who Do you really think that TV stations are just going to open their doors to anyone that turns up? Well, ideally, you would want to make an appointment. Preferrably before you left your home country [quote/]It's time to face facts; the available evidence says that there are no missing episodes in the hands of overseas broadcasters.[/quote] The available evidence before 1990 or so suggested that the artifacts recovered from the ruins of Troy didn't survive WWII. At least some of the treasures have turned up in Russia. [quote/] Just because a Doctor Who fan turns up on their doorstep doesn't mean they're going to search their archives. Put yourself in their place. They already know they don't have any episodes so why should they waste their time searching?[/quote] How do you know that they know this? If they're anything like US government workers, they probably don't even know how to run a projector. Most of them probably don't even know what's even in the vaults. They only have the job because they were supporting the winning side of the country's civil war. [quote/]Yes, there's a slim chance that an episode could be hidden away somewhere in the wrong can, but it's unrealistic to expect every can of film in an archive to be physically checked on the extremelyremote chance that something might be found.[/quote] If you have patience and will, you can accomplish anything. At least that's what I think that motivational speaker from high school was saying. I was kinda nodding off at the time  [qoute/]And to be brutally frank, judging by your posts here, you shouldn't even think of writing to anyone until you've learnt the correct use of punctuation.[/quote] If spelling and punctuation counted on the internet, we'd all be doomed ;D |
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Post by Robbie Moubert on Aug 4, 2005 10:35:43 GMT
How do you know that they know this? If they're anything like US government workers, they probably don't even know how to run a projector. Most of them probably don't even know what's even in the vaults. They only have the job because they were supporting the winning side of the country's civil war.
They "know" because chances are they've been contacted before, by the BBC, and have already checked their records. And your scenario above doesn't really help your chances. A true archivist might have the experience and inclination to help, even if the person asking has no official status. Someone like you describe will probably just tell you to sod off.
If spelling and punctuation counted on the internet, we'd all be doomed ;D
Yes but we're not talking about the internet. If someone receives a letter anything like Phil's posts they're just going to bin it. First impressions count.
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Post by Nigel Bland on Aug 4, 2005 11:14:53 GMT
Sigh!
I'm willing to bet that even if every TV station in the world was gone over with a fine toothcomb, and legally binding documents signed to the effect that nothing was found, there would still be some people who insisted that there was probably some small room at the back of some obscure station that had been missed and the whole thing should be done again!
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Post by Stuart Douglas on Aug 4, 2005 18:32:44 GMT
Sigh! I'm willing to bet that even if every TV station in the world was gone over with a fine toothcomb, and legally binding documents signed to the effect that nothing was found, there would still be some people who insisted that there was probably some small room at the back of some obscure station that had been missed and the whole thing should be done again! Damn that small room and its many hidden treasures! If only we could get in past the security guards... Stuart |
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Post by Jon Preddle on Aug 4, 2005 21:09:19 GMT
[Damn that small room and its many hidden treasures!
If only we could get in past the security guards...]
I've heard this argument many times before on this forum - that foreign TV stations have rooms filled with film cans that haven't been searched etc.
What a lot of people here seem to forget is that we are talking about films that were aired some 40 years ago.
In that time, TV stations close down, change ownership, move premises, get demolished, get bombed.
Who on this forum has moved house? You don't pack everything to take to the new house. You throw away that which you no longer have use for.
Same with films. If TV stations have store rooms filled with films that have been there since the 1960s/70s, you'd think that with changes of staff, personnel, policy, procedure, moving, etc, that someone in that time - think about it - 40 years is a very long time!! - would have had a clean out!
Office /storage space is a premium, and so anything not needed is chucked to make way for things that are needed.
We all need to face the fact/reality that TV stations in Zambia, Rhodesia, Singapore, Outer Mongolia, are not going to have hidden stores filled with old film.
Jon
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Post by Wright Blan on Aug 5, 2005 5:06:36 GMT
How do you know that they know this? If they're anything like US government workers, they probably don't even know how to run a projector. Most of them probably don't even know what's even in the vaults. They only have the job because they were supporting the winning side of the country's civil war. They "know" because chances are they've been contacted before, by the BBC, and have already checked their records. And your scenario above doesn't really help your chances. A true archivist might have the experience and inclination to help, even if the person asking has no official status. Someone like you describe will probably just tell you to sod off. If spelling and punctuation counted on the internet, we'd all be doomed ;D Yes but we're not talking about the internet. If someone receives a letter anything like Phil's posts they're just going to bin it. First impressions count. There are probably more people like I described than there are "true archivists". The idea of actual "true archivists" in broadcasting seems to be a fairly recent concept. I'm not even sure if you can even get a college degree in that profession. And I doubt many "true archivists" are employed in many of the countries we keep mentioning here. |
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Post by phil morris on Aug 5, 2005 7:27:08 GMT
sorry you you dont like my spelling i think its immaterial you really dont know what your on about,i work overseas and have seen africa first hand ,they are behind the times, and there are many old british films here they throw nothing away, you are entitled to your opinion of course,there is only one way to end speculation on the subject and thats to be here and look.something the bbc and for that matter anyone alse has so far not done.how many episodes have you found
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Post by Clive Shaw on Aug 5, 2005 11:02:05 GMT
> .something the bbc and for that matter anyone alse has so far not done
And exactly what evidence have you got for this ? The fact that nothing has been found ? Or perhaps because nothing may be there in the first place waiting to be found ?
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Post by Wright Blan on Aug 5, 2005 16:00:51 GMT
Why should somebody doing something possibly time-wasteful be a bother to you? As long as they're not using your tax money to dio it, then it really shouldn't.
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Post by Darren Menzie on Aug 5, 2005 22:46:54 GMT
let me see?
There is nothing to look for in old TV archives as they have already been officially approached before, so anybody who goes down this avenue are wasting their time.
Do not go asking TV archives for a look because you are jepordizing official requests.
If TV archives have been searched before and found to have nothing why would anyone be making official requests in the future?
If some-one wants to do their own personal quests I say let them. Who knows, they might succeed where the proper avenues failed.
I wish them all the luck
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