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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2006 14:32:38 GMT
Like the 6/6/68 edition and a few of the 70s VT copies, this was an attempt to make a music only recording free from applause and presenter speech so that the music performance was "clean". I believe the idea being that it was easier to re-use the material if needed in a later show which would have a new intro applied, although why these ended up as film recordings and not VT for re-use I don't know. In the case of 27/2/69 the feed for the first few minutes was the reverse of this by accident. All you get music wise is some very low-level breakthrough, which if boosted sounds very thin, noisy and crackly. Only half way through Sandie Shaw's performance is the feed re-plugged as originally intended, hence the sudden improvement in sound quality and the mute links thereafter. At the least the mistake meant we have some examples of Stuart Henry's presentation from his heyday. Thanks for the explanation, Jonathan. I guessed it must be something like that, although no one has actually given a definitive explanation (maybe some of the clips were more easily sold to - e.g. - ZDF with the links removed too?) Does any documentation exist which shows how many TOTP shows were recorded in this way? I'd like to think more are out there somewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2006 14:33:50 GMT
Laurence the same film was I think used for Skweeze Me Pleeze Me after D Powells car crash 4/7/73 Slade were due to film TOTP on the same day as they were still no 1 for tx 6th July, 1973 Noel Edmonds Disc No it could also have been used for Take Me Bak 'Ome 1st June, 1972 Jimmy Savile Disc No. Could you please check your documentation for this promo? Cheers Gaz Well, if it's the same film we're talking about, the same will apply (sadly).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2006 17:06:52 GMT
There was no TOTP shown on 5/4/84. The editions from 9/9/82 and 9/8/84 are widely thought to be missing from the BBC archives, especially as no performances from either show have ever been repeated. For instance, FGTH did a completely new performance of 'Two Tribes' on the 9/8/84 edition (with Holly Johnson roaming the studo floor like a news reporter), but it has never been reshown. The other 5 performances of 'Two Tribes' have been constantly shown on TOTP2 and other programmes I'm slightly confused at this- the BBC TOTP database has no listings at all for the 9/9/82 edition, and shows the Frankie Goes to Hollywood performance from 9/8/84 as extant, but all others as missing. Has whoever compiled that database fallen for the myths? If these episodes exist, surely we should inform them and have them correct it?
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Post by paul welton on Jul 22, 2006 6:58:59 GMT
Hi guys. New to the forum,but reading the various postings has inspired me to start transferring what 1993 UK gold repeats of 70's TOTP's I have to DVD. What interests me is the 2 1971 editions I have found so far have different sig tunes. On the 01/07/71 edition with Jimmy Saville links mute,the CCS "Whole lot of love"sig is in place,whereas the 27/12/71 edition(TOTP '71) with Tony Blackburn reverts to an earlier sig. Also I found a poor quality clip posted on youtube(Listed as Caravan-Golf Girl 1971 BBC)which would seem to come from the album slot featured in totp for a while that year,although I may be wrong. I remember seeing Blackburn introducing Yes,who performed "Yours is no disgrace" in that slot.Not sure if that still survives. Regards Paul.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2006 11:50:34 GMT
Hi guys. New to the forum,but reading the various postings has inspired me to start transferring what 1993 UK gold repeats of 70's TOTP's I have to DVD. What interests me is the 2 1971 editions I have found so far have different sig tunes. On the 01/07/71 edition with Jimmy Saville links mute,the CCS "Whole lot of love"sig is in place,whereas the 27/12/71 edition(TOTP '71) with Tony Blackburn reverts to an earlier sig. Also I found a poor quality clip posted on youtube(Listed as Caravan-Golf Girl 1971 BBC)which would seem to come from the album slot featured in totp for a while that year,although I may be wrong. I remember seeing Blackburn introducing Yes,who performed "Yours is no disgrace" in that slot.Not sure if that still survives. Regards Paul. The 27/12/71 theme was specially done for the Xmas shows that year and wasn't a previously used piece. I don't have the details to hand but I don't think Caravan were featured in the TOTP album slot in '71 (although they made one appearance in 1970 for "If I Could Do It All Over Again..."). I haven't seen the Youtube clip and so can't identify it for sure but I do have a German Beat Club appearance for "Golf Girl". I'd guess the clip is this one though. Can you post a couple of stills for identification? Both the Caravan and Yes TOTP appearances (in '70 and '71 respectively) are not known to exist, at least officially.
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Post by William Martin on Jul 22, 2006 14:27:20 GMT
having had a quick look athe the golf one, it's colour and looks like some sort of kalidascope effect around the camera lense, it could be totp but the intro and outro are missing and I couldn't get any sound
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Post by paul welton on Jul 22, 2006 16:14:15 GMT
What intriged me about it was the group title being overlaid on the screen.Standard practice for Totp then. The guy who posted the clip obviously thinks it's from the BBC.
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Post by peteseatonwsmuk on Jul 22, 2006 19:55:19 GMT
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Post by paul welton on Jul 22, 2006 21:43:42 GMT
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Post by Neil Barker on Jul 22, 2006 21:44:36 GMT
Doesn't look like TOTP to me!
Could it be from Musikladen?
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Post by StevePhillips on Jul 23, 2006 20:11:08 GMT
Doesn't look like TOTP to me! Could it be from Musikladen? "Beat-club" tx 24/7/71 Steve
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Post by William Martin on Jul 24, 2006 13:19:22 GMT
no, you're right, it's not totps
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Post by paul welton on Jul 24, 2006 17:51:15 GMT
Thanks for clearing that one up. Actually,if you type"Beat club" into the youtube search box,it brings up a whole list of wonderful clips. Who remembers the compilation series of this presented by Dave Dee,which aired on nightime ITV around 1986.I think this only went up to about 1970,and Beat Club changed its title shortly after this date. The Germans certainly know how to preserve thier programmes,unlike us.
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Post by John S Miller on Jul 26, 2006 23:20:28 GMT
I think someone was asking on one of these TOTP threads about the stories behind why editions or clips existed (can't find this post at mo).
there were actually some stories I recall in the press around time of 'sounds of the sixties' (1990s). Of these 'The Daily mirror' alleged that 'clips were saved by hiding them under floorboards or behind cupboards'. Another comment alleged 'Acts were guaged by how much the audience clapped during an act and the Stones were well received.'
Knowing the media, some of this is proably fact, some exagerration or fabrication.
Of the latter comment, sounds rubbish. Of the earlier it's not as ridiculous as it may seem, as many of the early clips only are T/R segments. These could have been intended by sales for export and shelved and forgotten, then later hidden on return from buyers. The most similar incident was described by an ex BBC technician (not Bob Pratt); shown in the C4 'Jarvis Cocker pop rules' series. He described how he was alrmed at the amount of editions then being wiped (presumably bulk erased); and set about resuing oddments by hiding them in a loose tile over a ceiling air vent. The demonstration was performed using a cassette (possibly U - matic); so I don't know whether he meant PAL masters at the time; or electronic duplicates (in the 1970 - 71 time period).
Some of the TOTPs that exist appear to originate (due to missing DJ links); directly from sales holdings. I'd say due to the fact that the print is in good condition, sound complete, and it represents a very good summary of the period (with interviews); the 1967 Xmas show was intentionally archived.
Agreed it omits some important acts (Hendrix, Traffic, Small faces) of the time; but to the researching seeking an overview of the pop and society of the year, it's a very good example.
So too would have been the 1964 Xmas show. This seems to be the source for the bulk of clips in '10 years of TOTP' 1973, so I'd assume it existed as a complete print up till then. It does seem to be a common finding the practice was to recycle or release material once reused by way of repeat in entirety; or in a review show; but it wasn't always the case.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2006 21:40:36 GMT
Of the latter comment, sounds rubbish. Of the earlier it's not as ridiculous as it may seem, as many of the early clips only are T/R segments. These could have been intended by sales for export and shelved and forgotten, then later hidden on return from buyers. The most similar incident was described by an ex BBC technician (not Bob Pratt); shown in the C4 'Jarvis Cocker pop rules' series. He described how he was alrmed at the amount of editions then being wiped (presumably bulk erased); and set about resuing oddments by hiding them in a loose tile over a ceiling air vent. The demonstration was performed using a cassette (possibly U - matic); so I don't know whether he meant PAL masters at the time; or electronic duplicates (in the 1970 - 71 time period). The 1965 TOTP VT clips are broadcast standard - as are a lot of Bob Pratt's other salvaged items - so presumably he saved these copies on 2" quad (mercifully). U-Matic wasn't around then anyway and wouldn't have looked as sharp.
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