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Post by Stuart Douglas on Jun 7, 2006 10:22:14 GMT
I was intending to put TOTP in the Missing Epsiode List. Can anyone confirm if this data of Mark's is still correct?
The Existing Episodes are:
1967
26.12.67
1968
15.02.68
06.06.68
29.08.68 Soundtrack Only
1969
27.02.69
1970
29.01.70
05.02.70
26.02.70
15.10.70 dj links mute
1971
14.01.71 studio recording tape mute dj links
25.02.71
30.04.71
17.06.71
01.07.71 dj links mute
23.12.71 probably insert tape for zdf
27.12.71
30.12.71 dj links and some songs mute
1972
22.06.72 incomplete
16.11.72
30.11.72 interview insert tape for pebble mill
28.12.72
1973
25.01.73
01.02.73
27.09.73
11.10.73 studio recording tape
15.11.73
13.12.73 insert tape
20.12.73
25.12.73 studio recording tape
27.12.73
1974
11.04.74
18.04.74 insert tape
02.05.74
08.08.74
04.10.74
27.11.74 insert tape
25.12.74
27.12.74
1975
02.01.75
27.02.75
13.03.75
20.03.75
27.03.75 insert tape
10.04.75
24.07.75
28.08.75
04.09.75
23.12.75
25.12.75
1976
01.01.76
08.01.76
01.04.76
08.04.76
15.04.76
22.04.76
29.04.76
06.05.76
13.05.76
20.05.76
27.05.76
03.06.76
10.06.76
17.06.76
24.06.76
08.07.76
15.07.76
22.07.76
29.07.76
05.08.76
19.08.76
26.08.76
09.09.76
23.09.76
All exist after this point except 5/4/84.
Colour tape exists of various performances from 70/71.
Other various b&w bits and pieces exist (hoping to date these - incorrectly labelled as 65 xmas inserts)
Various promo films still exist mostly from 72.
Cheers
Stuart
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Post by Kev MacCormack on Jun 7, 2006 11:51:03 GMT
There was no TOTP shown on 5/4/84. The editions from 9/9/82 and 9/8/84 are widely thought to be missing from the BBC archives, especially as no performances from either show have ever been repeated.
For instance, FGTH did a completely new performance of 'Two Tribes' on the 9/8/84 edition (with Holly Johnson roaming the studo floor like a news reporter), but it has never been reshown. The other 5 performances of 'Two Tribes' have been constantly shown on TOTP2 and other programmes
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Post by andrew martin on Jun 7, 2006 12:26:49 GMT
9/9/82 and 9/8/84 do exist, whatever is 'widely thought'!
Not every edition after 23/9/76 does exist however - the programmes are logged on Infax but there are no holdings for the following:
11/11/76
18/11/76
02/12/76
16/12/76
10/02/77
03/03/77
31/03/77
04/08/77
08/09/77
Note that due to a strike, the edition scheduled for 12/01/78 was replaced by a repeat of the edition from 13/01/77, and (possibly for a similar reason) the edition on 16/08/79 was replaced by a repeat of 02/08/79. On 5/4/84 it wasn't just a case of no TOTP, there were no programmes at all on BBC1, and a different schedule on BBC2, due to industrial action.
The 'incorrect' Christmas 1965 inserts are Intertel recorded inserts of The Beatles performing "We Can Work It Out" and "Day Tripper" which do seem to have been first transmitted by the BBC on 25/12/65 - if anyone has any evidence to the contrary I'd be interested to know it! There is another version of "We Can Work It Out" which was first shown 02/12/65, and is thus logged as the only holdings for "Top of the Pops" on that day. Other inserts include Peter Paul and Mary performing "Early Morning Rain", recorded along with their "Tonight in Person" shows in 1965, and shown 30/9/65.
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Post by Neil Barker on Jun 7, 2006 15:20:51 GMT
The editions from 9/9/82 and 9/8/84 are widely thought to be missing from the BBC archives, especially as no performances from either show have ever been repeated. There was a clip of the Wonderdog performance shown on some Channel 5 programme but the quality was very ruff! Sorry  |
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Post by andrew martin on Jun 7, 2006 17:19:41 GMT
The BBC's copies are broadcast standard - someone was probably saving money by using the VHS viewing copy...
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Post by Westy 2 on Jun 7, 2006 21:30:51 GMT
9/9/82 and 9/8/84 do exist, whatever is 'widely thought'! Not every edition after 23/9/76 does exist however - the programmes are logged on Infax but there are no holdings for the following: 11/11/76 18/11/76 02/12/76 16/12/76 10/02/77 03/03/77 31/03/77 04/08/77 08/09/77 Note that due to a strike, the edition scheduled for 12/01/78 was replaced by a repeat of the edition from 13/01/77, and (possibly for a similar reason) the edition on 16/08/79 was replaced by a repeat of 02/08/79. On 5/4/84 it wasn't just a case of no TOTP, there were no programmes at all on BBC1, and a different schedule on BBC2, due to industrial action. A sort of early 'TOTP 2' then! Re 1984, you would've thought the different schedule would've been on 1 not 2 ! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2006 12:21:08 GMT
The 'incorrect' Christmas 1965 inserts are Intertel recorded inserts of The Beatles performing "We Can Work It Out" and "Day Tripper" which do seem to have been first transmitted by the BBC on 25/12/65 - if anyone has any evidence to the contrary I'd be interested to know it! There is another version of "We Can Work It Out" which was first shown 02/12/65, and is thus logged as the only holdings for "Top of the Pops" on that day. Other inserts include Peter Paul and Mary performing "Early Morning Rain", recorded along with their "Tonight in Person" shows in 1965, and shown 30/9/65. The PasB lists the 2/12/65 edition of TOTP as the first screening of the Intertel videos for both Day Tripper and We Can Work It Out, Andrew. Although it doesn't specify which versions (there are three different ones for each song). It's possible one version of each was first transmitted on each of those dates (2/12 and 25/12) - is it possible to say which were on which date though? Maybe the holdings for those dates merely double up the same clips though? Any reason why these clips (which are non-BBC) were retained when actual TOTP originated performances weren't? Can you also confirm if the Shadows clip of "Don't It Make My Baby Blue" still exists on VT, Andrew? It's something that people here have noted was used as a clip some years ago but seems to have gone off the map in recent times. I expect this is one people would like to know the answer to. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2006 12:48:33 GMT
I was intending to put TOTP in the Missing Epsiode List. Can anyone confirm if this data of Mark's is still correct? The Existing Episodes are: 1967 26.12.67 1968 15.02.68 06.06.68 29.08.68 Soundtrack Only 1969 27.02.69 1970 29.01.70 05.02.70 26.02.70 15.10.70 dj links mute 1971 14.01.71 studio recording tape mute dj links 25.02.71 30.04.71 17.06.71 01.07.71 dj links mute 23.12.71 probably insert tape for zdf 27.12.71 30.12.71 dj links and some songs mute 1972 22.06.72 incomplete 16.11.72 30.11.72 interview insert tape for pebble mill 28.12.72 1973 25.01.73 01.02.73 27.09.73 11.10.73 studio recording tape 15.11.73 13.12.73 insert tape 20.12.73 25.12.73 studio recording tape 27.12.73 1974 11.04.74 18.04.74 insert tape 02.05.74 08.08.74 04.10.74 27.11.74 insert tape 25.12.74 27.12.74 1975 02.01.75 27.02.75 13.03.75 20.03.75 27.03.75 insert tape 10.04.75 24.07.75 28.08.75 04.09.75 23.12.75 25.12.75 1976 01.01.76 08.01.76 01.04.76 08.04.76 15.04.76 22.04.76 29.04.76 06.05.76 13.05.76 20.05.76 27.05.76 03.06.76 10.06.76 17.06.76 24.06.76 08.07.76 15.07.76 22.07.76 29.07.76 05.08.76 19.08.76 26.08.76 09.09.76 23.09.76 All exist after this point except 5/4/84. Colour tape exists of various performances from 70/71. Other various b&w bits and pieces exist (hoping to date these - incorrectly labelled as 65 xmas inserts) Various promo films still exist mostly from 72. Cheers Stuart A few amendments to the list up to 1973 or thereabouts, Stuart: The 28/9/68 soundtrack seems not to exist any more. I asked about this myself and it seems the Infax entry is there from a point years ago when it obviously was in the archives. The 6/6/68 edition is with mute links (i.e. you can see Saville and Davy Jones talking but there is no sound, as opposed to early '70s editions with mute links where you didn't see the DJ as he voiced the link over opening shots of the act). 27/2/69: This is partly mute links (as with 6/6/68). The edition also has very poor sound quality for the performances in the first part of the show which has sound on the links; from the point where the links go mute (about one third of the way through), the sound improves - presumably it wasn't patched through correctly from the start. 29/1/70, 5/2/70 and 26/2/70: They are b/w trs of colour vt editions. The 1970 colour compilation consists of nine performances from the editions of 29/1/70, 4/6/70, 18/6/70, 9/7/70, 7/1/71 and 15/7/71 (some have their DJ intros). The TOTP promo films (all still untransferred from film) date from January 1970 to around 1974 - there are a lot of these and at least several for most calendar months during this period. 14/1/71: This is, I think, just a regular edition with mute links (i.e. not a studio reel). 30/4/71: The actual tx date is 29/4/71 (rather than 30th). 23/12/71: This is a reel of 2 songs dubbed for ZDF and not either a recording or transmission date (the date bears no relation to a TOTP edition and probably refers to the date the tape was dubbed). 16/11/72: This edition is b/w vt (of a colour vt edition). There are a few more odds and ends too (e.g. the Cliff Richard "Visions" promo film from '66, which is mute, although could be re-dubbed) but no hitherto unknown "finds", sadly! There are also various other orphaned clips (several on b/w VT from 1965 and others on t/r from 1964 to 1968 - plus a couple on colour VT from 1969). I could provide dates / details to most if you want, Stuart (some are impossible to date though as the songs in question featured in several TOTP editions and so there is no way of telling categorically which of the performances the clip is of). Also worth mentioning is the fact that the 15/2/68 edition also contains approximately a 30 second break (seemingly where the t/r changed reels and there was no overlap), which occurs at the very end of Legend Of Xanadu / beginning of Mighty Quinn. Can Andrew Martin add any more to this? |
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Post by Mark Kerridge on Jun 11, 2006 20:42:14 GMT
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Post by Westy 2 on Jun 11, 2006 21:25:44 GMT
27/2/69: This is partly mute links (as with 6/6/68). The edition also has very poor sound quality for the performances in the first part of the show which has sound on the links; from the point where the links go mute (about one third of the way through), the sound improves - presumably it wasn't patched through correctly from the start. Any idea which clips are affected by dodgy sound? ISTR when Sandie Shaw's 'Monsieur Dupont' was shown on an early TOTP 2, the sound was perfect, but when it was shown again a few years later, the sound for the early part of the clip was s**t, but improved roughly halfway through, which I then suspected that the earlier showing had been redubbed, but the later showing was using the original soundtrack, which was rubbish/improved as above! ISTR reading somewhere that they redubbed soundtracks for TOTP 2. Is that correct? |
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Post by GJ BRUM on Jun 11, 2006 21:35:09 GMT
The TOTP promo films (all still untransferred from film) date from January 1970 to around 1974 - there are a lot of these and at least several for most calendar months during this period. Can Andrew Martin add any more to this? [/quote] Laurence/Andrew can you confirm if the promo insert for Slade's Look wot you dun shot at Chessington Zoo is included in the above promo films? Several Slade Fans myself included remember seeing this, it was tx'd 2nd March, 1972 database states no I feel another request for the return of TOTP2 to show this unseen stuff please sign the petition www.petitiononline.com/gjbslade/petition.htmlThanx in anticipation Gary |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2006 0:15:33 GMT
Any idea which clips are affected by dodgy sound? ISTR when Sandie Shaw's 'Monsieur Dupont' was shown on an early TOTP 2, the sound was perfect, but when it was shown again a few years later, the sound for the early part of the clip was s**t, but improved roughly halfway through, which I then suspected that the earlier showing had been redubbed, but the later showing was using the original soundtrack, which was rubbish/improved as above! The first 10 minutes or so has very poor sound (titles / chart rundown, Cliff Richard "Good Times", Sandie Shaw "Monsieur Dupont") but with sound on the DJ links. The rest of the performances are fine from there on sound-wise but the links are mute. I also have those two different TOTP2 recordings myself of Monsieur Dupont; the first with good sound (probably re-dubbed) and a later repeat of the same performance bizarrely with poor sound (as on the original TOTP edition it comes from) for half the song, switching to good sound later on in! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2006 0:19:17 GMT
Laurence/Andrew can you confirm if the promo insert for Slade's Look wot you dun shot at Chessington Zoo is included in the above promo films? Several Slade Fans myself included remember seeing this, it was tx'd 2nd March, 1972 database states no Sadly I don't think this one exists. Sod's law really as a lot do from February and April '72 but nothing from March is on the list! |
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Post by Jonathan Wood on Jun 14, 2006 12:42:40 GMT
The first 10 minutes or so has very poor sound (titles / chart rundown, Cliff Richard "Good Times", Sandie Shaw "Monsieur Dupont") but with sound on the DJ links. The rest of the performances are fine from there on sound-wise but the links are mute. Like the 6/6/68 edition and a few of the 70s VT copies, this was an attempt to make a music only recording free from applause and presenter speech so that the music performance was "clean". I believe the idea being that it was easier to re-use the material if needed in a later show which would have a new intro applied, although why these ended up as film recordings and not VT for re-use I don't know. In the case of 27/2/69 the feed for the first few minutes was the reverse of this by accident. All you get music wise is some very low-level breakthrough, which if boosted sounds very thin, noisy and crackly. Only half way through Sandie Shaw's performance is the feed re-plugged as originally intended, hence the sudden improvement in sound quality and the mute links thereafter. At the least the mistake meant we have some examples of Stuart Henry's presentation from his heyday. |
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Post by garyjordanbrum on Jun 14, 2006 13:00:19 GMT
[/quote]Sadly I don't think this one exists. Sod's law really as a lot do from February and April '72 but nothing from March is on the list![/quote]
Laurence the same film was I think used for Skweeze Me Pleeze Me after D Powells car crash 4/7/73 Slade were due to film TOTP on the same day as they were still no 1 for tx 6th July, 1973 Noel Edmonds Disc No it could also have been used for Take Me Bak 'Ome 1st June, 1972 Jimmy Savile Disc No.
Could you please check your documentation for this promo?
Cheers Gaz
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