Missing visuals you want to see

[brandonm]

What are some interesting shots and visual effects in missing episodes that you've always wanted to see?

Katarina's death in space sounds very interesting. I believe it was accomplished with slow-motion shots of her jumping on a trampoline, switching to inverted footage of some skydivers as her body flew further into space. There's a story that someone from Stanley Kubrick's team was impressed by this scene and contacted the BBC to ask how it was done. Does anybody know if this is true or apocryphal? 

[scottf]

Pretty much most of the non telesnapped episodes from S3. My top one is the delegates locked up in Masterplan 11! Did Sentreal make a return appearance? What did Bryan Mosley as Malpha look like?

[Will Weller]

Probably Sara’s death from DMP 12. Also any footage of William Hartnell as the Abbot of Amboise would be very nice.

[stevehoare61]

Oct 1, 2023 9:14:02 GMT brandonm said:

What are some interesting shots and visual effects in missing episodes that you've always wanted to see?

Katarina's death in space sounds very interesting. I believe it was accomplished with slow-motion shots of her jumping on a trampoline, switching to inverted footage of some skydivers as her body flew further into space. There's a story that someone from Stanley Kubrick's team was impressed by this scene and contacted the BBC to ask how it was done. Does anybody know if this is true or apocryphal? 

If I remember that scene you are talking about is actually a scene from The Dalek Masterplan.Im not sure if its in one of the existing episodes as its ages since Ive watched them, but I think they do.

[barneyhall]

Awwh man there are some really good picks in this thread already. For me though it would be something from the celestial toymaker. If I had to pick an episode it's be 2 although there's plenty in 1 and 3 I'd love to see more of. And if I had to narrow it down further it'd be the king and queen plotting to use the joker

[Sue Butcher]

Oct 1, 2023 9:14:02 GMT brandonm said:

What are some interesting shots and visual effects in missing episodes that you've always wanted to see?

Katarina's death in space sounds very interesting. I believe it was accomplished with slow-motion shots of her jumping on a trampoline, switching to inverted footage of some skydivers as her body flew further into space. There's a story that someone from Stanley Kubrick's team was impressed by this scene and contacted the BBC to ask how it was done. Does anybody know if this is true or apocryphal? 

I don't know, but I can believe it. Kubrick watched everything he could in the run up to filming 2001. I'm convinced he was reading Dan Dare, too! Specifically "The Moonsleepers". But wasn't the effect of floating in space achieved by filming in slow motion from below an actor suspended on wires?

[mattg]

More of the sinister Oak and Quill from ‘Fury From the Deep’ would be good to see although I think their finest (and certainly most chilling) moment already exists via that infamous censor clip!

[Leighton Haberfield]

The Trojan horse and Emporer Dalek and the dizzy daleks playing trains plus Bret Vyon getting shot by his sister in The Traitors

[Qasim Yusuf]

Stephen leaving the Tardis and Hartnell's monologue at the end of The Massacre. I think it would be remembered as an iconic moment in the show's history by way more people if we still had the visuals.

[barneyhall]

Oct 6, 2023 11:52:25 GMT Qasim Yusuf said:

Stephen leaving the Tardis and Hartnell's monologue at the end of The Massacre. I think it would be remembered as an iconic moment in the show's history by way more people if we still had the visuals.

Fair point I think it would be up there with the end of daleks invasion of earth...just listing to audios/recons doesn't penetrate the wider fandom. The Massacre was one if the last adventures I experienced in my late teens and I was very naive about it.

[Martin Dunne]

Oct 2, 2023 2:08:44 GMT Sue Butcher said:

I don't know, but I can believe it. Kubrick watched everything he could in the run up to filming 2001. I'm convinced he was reading Dan Dare, too! Specifically "The Moonsleepers". But wasn't the effect of floating in space achieved by filming in slow motion from below an actor suspended on wires?

Is how it is described, sadly the Kubrick anecdote is from the poisoned well of Peter Haining, via The Key to Time: A Year by Year Record. (p. 42.)



Bizarrely, Kubrick was one of the reefs Adrian Rigelsford floundered on, his post-death interview being refuted by no less than Jan Harlan, via Anthony Frewin. I hope someone can shed some light on it; this passage was very important to me as I used it when I audited screen studies to make sure we were on the same page (they assured me we were but it was a total lie as they were actually into pretending to speak French and not properly understanding semiotics), an experience which I liken to Eldrad returning to Kastria but finding his alcoholic university teachers had taken early retirement on medical grounds.


It's an appealing thought, Kubrick watching science fiction on the BBC and ITV Anglia, but turning to John Baxter (better source and all round nice guy), the only references to television in the UK are Kubrick clashing with the BBC (refusing to appear, annoyed with them showing a letterboxed 2001 with fake stars added at top and bottom of screen) and Channel 4 (Warners blocking the Forbidden Fruit documentary on Clockwork Orange in 1993). He cites a "Time-Life Word War I documentary" on BBC with suggesting Also Sprach Zarathustra to him, is the only reference to him actually watching something.

[Sue Butcher]

Thanks, Martin, it must have been Haining where I heard the story. Is John Baxter the Australian who used to write for John Carnell's publications, that is New Worlds, New Writings in SF, etc?

[Martin Dunne]

Oct 7, 2023 3:49:46 GMT Sue Butcher said:

Thanks, Martin, it must have been Haining where I heard the story. Is John Baxter the Australian who used to write for John Carnell's publications, that is New Worlds, New Writings in SF, etc?

Guilty as charged; I just wrote to him out of the blue and he was very helpful! I was a little bit stunned, The Pacific Book of Australian Science Fiction and its sequel, and Science Fiction in the Cinema were all early stars I navigated from. I'm not sure about all his claims but he sources, vital for transparency.

Peter Haining isn't necessarily bad but he was a professional editor/author who came to the phenomenon late and with an agenda of churning his work out at a rate of knots, I bought The Nine Doctors more for the epic typos of the Hartnell story "The Wet Planet", and Peter Cushing giving his town a posthumous gift "when he died in the form of a bench seat". Given all the resources of the production office to professional parachute artists like Haining and Jean-Marc L'officer, this era was disappointing for scholarship. It'd be nice if he confirmed John Wiles was the source of the anecdote, say.

So, anyone else got the The Daleks' Master Plan/Kubrick connection down, all sourceable?