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Post by Marie Griffiths on Jun 22, 2023 19:41:41 GMT
There is a meme going around the internet for years and years. Called the Mandela Effect. Some people think Nelson Mandela died in gaol. It is a collective mass misremembering or proof of some weird parallel world phenomenon. Could archive footage more specifically digitalized prove or disprove some of these theories? Old adverts dramas etc.
e.g. Changes to the logos for Fruit of the Loom, Kit Kat, Monopoly, VW, Loon Toons, Fruit Loop Bernstein Bears, Sex and the City, The Flinstones
One of the 'proofs' is a blurry still from the start of Back to the Future of the VW logo. Could be get the original 35mm frame?
Phrases and scenes from movies. Snowwhite -"Mirror Mirror on the Wall." Star Wars - "Luke I am your father" "Star Trek Scotty Beam me up." King Henry portrait with the Turkey Leg (I think this based on a movie) C3POs silver leg. (I blame bad colour correction, poor qulaity home video) "Play it Again Sam" "Life is Like a Box of Chocolates" Tom cruises sunglasses in Risky Business "Hello, Clarice." the movie Shazaam with Sinbad "If you build it, they will come"
Could we find the original source for the misbelief? e.g. Popular comedy sketches about the films? Could it be a deliberate misquote in order to avoid a copyright claim?
Is there an archive reason to disprove them or indeed prove them?
Some of the effects I swear by myself.
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Post by Marie Griffiths on Jun 22, 2023 19:55:36 GMT
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Post by sonnybh on Jun 22, 2023 20:34:29 GMT
This is a strange effect, I guess a lot occurred because it was harder to check things out in the past.
"Elementary, My Dear Watson" is an early one, but it really two common phrases by Sherlock Holmes merged together.
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Post by Joe Haynes on Jun 22, 2023 20:45:35 GMT
I have a memory of Luke Skywalker and Leia escaping the Death Star. I swear look throws the rope, its misses, Leia says 'hurry Up' he throws it a second time and is successful. Watched it recently, he only throws it once.
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Post by Marie Griffiths on Jun 23, 2023 0:15:38 GMT
I was thinking there could be alternate edits of movies or incorrectly labelled products on advertisements.
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Post by Simon Smith on Jun 23, 2023 5:58:01 GMT
Many are explainable though.
There was a big birthday concert for Mandela in the 80s, which some may have mistaken for a memorial.
In the original Snow White, it's Mirror Mirror. And there are other movies where it's Mirror Mirror. Only in Disney was it changed to Magic Mirror. People who read the books will expect it to be Mirror Mirror, and be surprised when watching Disney.
It was always Berenstain Bears. But, how many names ending in -stain are there? Compare that to the number of -stein endings. I remember in the 80s the actual product clearly said "Berenstain", but the shop had added it to the inventory as "Berenstein". Checking shop records, you'd believe it was Berenstein. But it never was.
And it was always "No, I'm your father". But that isn't catchy enough, and isn't instantly identifiable.
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Post by sonnybh on Jun 23, 2023 20:44:19 GMT
Sometimes some tie-in novels are based on early drafts of scripts, and include things that didn't make the final cut.
The Back to The future novel has a few of these, especially the clothes Marty wears when he travels back to 1955, which are based on Eric Stoltz's costume & were changed when Michael J Fox took over the part.
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Post by John Green on Jun 23, 2023 21:44:25 GMT
Sometimes some tie-in novels are based on early drafts of scripts, and include things that didn't make the final cut. The Back to The future novel has a few of these, especially the clothes Marty wears when he travels back to 1955, which are based on Eric Stoltz's costume & were changed when Michael J Fox took over the part. Didn't the first adaptation of first Dalek story have drawings of the cast as they were during rehearsals? I've only seen the first Star Wars film (which was a lot of fun), and was wondering recently how Mr.Vader had gotten so paternal with his "I'm you Dad, Son, your Dad! My Boy! My Lookie-Wookie!".
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Post by Dan S on Jun 24, 2023 0:36:52 GMT
Most of it is misremembering things because they're unimportant. Also the brain will kindof 'autocorrect' memories, or conflate two memories into one. People repeat movie quotes, some get adapted because they sound better.
Some comments I read on the internet seem to be made by people with such a huge ego that they'd rather believe they've slipped into a parallel universe (the world literally revolves around them!) that accept that memory is fallible.
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Post by Ralph Rose on Jun 24, 2023 2:08:08 GMT
Most of it is misremembering things because they're unimportant. Also the brain will kindof 'autocorrect' memories, or conflate two memories into one. People repeat movie quotes, some get adapted because they sound better. Some comments I read on the internet seem to be made by people with such a huge ego that they'd rather believe they've slipped into a parallel universe (the world literally revolves around them!) that accept that memory is fallible. Parallel dimensions is a fun sci-fi concept though. There was a recent X-files episode that deals with the Mandela effect. You can see a theoretical parallel universe, every time you look in a mirror etc... I would say some of it is harmless fun. However I do take your point.
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Post by Simon Smith on Jun 24, 2023 6:36:04 GMT
Plus, some things ARE altered. Film trailers sometimes include material that has been edited out of the final cut.
In addition, movies are often re-edited after they have already been screened in cinemas.
And those who bought the (heavily edited) "Mike Judge's Beavis and Butt-Head" DVD set never believed they had slipped into a parallel dimension.
With modern Cancel Culture, and editing things like Roald Dahl books, this may lead to future "Mandela Effects". 'You know that Agatha Christie story And Then There Were None? Well, I could of sworn...'
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Post by sonnybh on Jun 24, 2023 9:35:36 GMT
Yesterday dealt with someone who slipped into a parallel dimension where The Beatles never became famous.
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Post by timmunton on Jun 24, 2023 13:27:34 GMT
Yesterday dealt with someone who slipped into a parallel dimension where The Beatles never became famous. Eh? Can't say I've heard of them. Did they ever have any records that made the Top 40? Or are any of the individual members well known? I'll see if they've got a wikipedia page - even the most obscure acts tend to these days😂 EDIT: Wikipedia tells me they were a little known beat group who, fairly early on in their history as a band, did a few gigs at Liverpool's The Cavern. The very small amount of critical attention they got saw them as being inferior to Gerry And The Pacemakers. Their career as it developed - if you can even call it a career in any meaningful sense, as it was so minor - largely consisted of unsuccessfully ripping off & parodying the hugely successful songs of maybe the world's favourite band of the '60s: Musical giants The Rutles.
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Post by Kieran Seymour on Jun 24, 2023 13:58:07 GMT
I have a memory of Luke Skywalker and Leia escaping the Death Star. I swear look throws the rope, its misses, Leia says 'hurry Up' he throws it a second time and is successful. Watched it recently, he only throws it once. He does have to throw it twice in the novelisation, although Leia doesn't say anything. But gets it right the first time in the original comic strip adaptation! One I'm surprised hasn't been mentioned so far is the number of people who 'remember' Uvanov saying "Satisfied?" in the Doctor Who story The Robots of Death. I dread to think how many off-air recordings the likes of Richard Bignell had to check to disprove it, and yet people still swear it was in there.
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Post by Simon Smith on Jun 24, 2023 14:05:56 GMT
Plus, some things seem deliberate. Everyone I know agrees that the sinking of the Lusitania was the reason for the USA's entry into the Great War.
In the past 20 years, we have been told that it was actually "The Black Tom Incident". In which the Germans detonated explosives in New York. The resulting blast blew out windows for miles around, and caused damage to the Statue of Liberty so that nobody could ever go inside the torch ever again. Except, of course, that tourists could go into the torch for decades after this alleged incident.
Today, the Black Tom Incident is treated as fact. The past is being rewritten all the time, for political and social reasons, eg. Cleopatra...
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