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Post by mjhopkins on Jan 4, 2022 22:05:39 GMT
Hi, I was looking at the new (and fascinating) webpages for the BBC'S centenary year and there is a piece looking at the start of Colour. It mentions that whilst colour began with Wimbledon '67 it was possible to see colour broadcasts, albeit unscheduled, during 1966. Very interesting. Does anyone have any knowledge about this.
Incidentally I have a memory of a feature in 'Record Collector' magazine that I'm sure made mention of a test colour transmission of 'Late Night Line-Up' in Summer 1967 featuring the Jimi Hendrix Experience! Colour in '66 is a fascinating idea. The year ahead looks certainly like being a fantastic one for archive TV fans.
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Post by mjhopkins on Jan 4, 2022 22:08:31 GMT
Hi, I was looking at the new (and fascinating) webpages for the BBC'S centenary year and there is a piece looking at the start of Colour. It mentions that whilst colour began with Wimbledon '67 it was possible to see colour broadcasts, albeit unscheduled, during 1966. Very interesting. Does anyone have any knowledge about this. Incidentally I have a memory of a feature in 'Record Collector' magazine that I'm sure made mention of a test colour transmission of 'Late Night Line-Up' in Summer 1967 featuring the Jimi Hendrix Experience! Colour in '66 is a fascinating idea. The year ahead looks certainly like being a fantastic one for archive TV fans. |
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Post by mjhopkins on Jan 4, 2022 22:09:40 GMT
I have wondered if Colour in 1966 was just 'Camberwick Green'!
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Post by Kev Mulrenan on Jan 4, 2022 22:31:18 GMT
Was this originally in colour then?
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Post by mjhopkins on Jan 4, 2022 23:49:44 GMT
Thanks, I assume it wasn't although the psychedelic effects (not to mention the presenter's expression just prior to the performance) suggests that it was quite a leap for the show. Wasn't this the performance that was supposed to have been heard a couple of floors below?
No thinking back, the Record Collector feature talked about another show and I think it may have been Dec '67 when BBC2 went officially colour. Memory tells me it was a pilot for 'Colour Me Pop'. It may have stalled at the proposal stage.
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Jan 5, 2022 0:23:03 GMT
I was looking at some LNLU recently from early 67. An edition from March had visible chroma dots on one or two of the angles, others, including VT playbacks did not.
I suspect a small pres studio was used that had a couple of colour cameras in and because the show was live, dots not filtered off until after leaving the comms centre. This shows that some programmes were using colour cameras but the viewer would only have seen black and white, even if they were watching on a colour television.
Paul
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Post by tom rogers on Jan 5, 2022 0:31:49 GMT
Nice bit of detection/deduction, Paul! Thanks!
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Post by Peter Stirling on Jan 5, 2022 9:25:33 GMT
Apparently, the 1966 General Election had some colour studio work and when Top of the Pops moved to London it was given a studio with colour cameras in that had been previously used experimentally ..
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Post by John Wall on Jan 5, 2022 9:51:06 GMT
Wasn’t some of Season 6 DW made with 625 line equipment?
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Post by Peter Stirling on Jan 5, 2022 13:11:41 GMT
Wasn’t some of Season 6 DW made with 625 line equipment? BBC2 was obviously always 625 lines, but BBC1 and many of the commercial companies started changing to 625 lines around the Summer of 68 IIRC. Transmitting stations had been installed with huge mammoth-sized scan converters to enable the 405 line signal to still be broadcast, these dutifully carried on after being bodged patched up over the years until 1985 as there was still concern that there was some old lady up a mountain somewhere still watching her old TV set, but at switch off apparently there were no complaints. A few enterprising old ladies could have probably got a new TV set and aerial for free LOL |
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Jan 5, 2022 14:35:50 GMT
Wasn’t some of Season 6 DW made with 625 line equipment? Doctor Who was entirely 625 from 'The Enemy of the World' onwards, despite what the can labels on the neg for episode 3 of TEOTW and the film prints from Nigeria state (4T). The FR slate clearly indicates it's a 625 recording and the resolution on the prints is clearly not 405. Paul |
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Post by mjhopkins on Jan 6, 2022 1:26:31 GMT
Apparently, the 1966 General Election had some colour studio work and when Top of the Pops moved to London it was given a studio with colour cameras in that had been previously used experimentally .. |
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Post by mjhopkins on Jan 6, 2022 1:37:29 GMT
Fascinating to learn that colour may have been tried out to some degree for the '66 general election. Never heard that before. Remarkable. Also I found on the fantastic 'Nostalgic Music TV' website a page on 'Colour Me Pop' which states that the Jimi Hendrix Experience did indeed appear on a pilot of the programme in December 1967 seven months before the series began with Manfred Mann. As I recalled from the Record Collector piece it was not broadcasted and presumably rapidly wiped.
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Post by Bernie King on Jan 6, 2022 7:19:55 GMT
It looks like it could be a great year BBC-wise. In case you haven't seen it there is the BBC 100 website: www.bbc.co.uk/100Personally, I'm hoping the publicity prompts many returns and I'm looking forward to the fresh debates and information from fans and experts on this forum. A small positive in the covid 22 world. |
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Post by Peter Stirling on Jan 6, 2022 10:43:49 GMT
Fascinating to learn that colour may have been tried out to some degree for the '66 general election. Never heard that before. Remarkable. Also I found on the fantastic 'Nostalgic Music TV' website a page on 'Colour Me Pop' which states that the Jimi Hendrix Experience did indeed appear on a pilot of the programme in December 1967 seven months before the series began with Manfred Mann. As I recalled from the Record Collector piece it was not broadcasted and presumably rapidly wiped. I think the election coverage was used to relay pictures to the US...now anyone in the US would have obviously been bored stiff with British Election coverage but what they were interested in was how colour (live and recorded) behaved over long distances ie. satellites etc. The 1964 Tokyo Olympics had been seen by people rushing films and tapes to waiting planes but by the time of the Mexico 68 Olympics satellite signals were available in colour. IIRC. The UK establishment's befuddled thinking and indecision was a technical nightmare for the TV set makers, once they had actually agreed they were going to use PAL rather than NTSC the 1960's colour sets had to be dual standard, at the touch of a channel button the viewer expected to change from BBC2 on 625 lines UHF to BBC1 on 405 lines VHF. |
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