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Post by John Wall on Dec 19, 2020 22:54:59 GMT
That was my immediate thought.
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Post by RWels on Jul 8, 2021 12:38:26 GMT
Some time has passed now. I wonder if we will ever know what the story was? Of course, I can guess. But did certainty ever emerge? It's not so easy to just order new stuff on 16mm, even though it sounded suspiciously like that had happened.
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Post by josephsenior on Jul 8, 2021 18:26:51 GMT
Some time has passed now. I wonder if we will ever know what the story was? Of course, I can guess. But did certainty ever emerge? It's not so easy to just order new stuff on 16mm, even though it sounded suspiciously like that had happened. I believe the story was previously identified and debunked on Twitter. I remember getting into conversations with the Dalek63-88 team and if I am right the clips were from released VHS tapes and one negative clip was from here. The 16mm tape was found to be from around the 90s based on it's markings etc
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Post by markperry on Jul 11, 2021 23:11:30 GMT
Joseph, could you clarify your information as the link you provided is actually this page 9 of this very thread.
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Post by josephsenior on Jul 12, 2021 16:31:07 GMT
Joseph, could you clarify your information as the link you provided is actually this page 9 of this very thread. I wish someone had told me that earlier. It was a working YouTube link when I provided it. www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBHGbBJwyh0
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Post by markperry on Jul 12, 2021 22:31:19 GMT
Ta
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Post by Richard Tipple on Jul 22, 2021 21:05:26 GMT
Some time has passed now. I wonder if we will ever know what the story was? Of course, I can guess. But did certainty ever emerge? It's not so easy to just order new stuff on 16mm, even though it sounded suspiciously like that had happened. I believe the story was previously identified and debunked on Twitter. I remember getting into conversations with the Dalek63-88 team and if I am right the clips were from released VHS tapes and one negative clip was from here. The 16mm tape was found to be from around the 90s based on it's markings etc I may have tracked down some of the clips. So will confirm this as soon as I am able to.
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Post by Ed Brown on Aug 8, 2021 5:46:50 GMT
Two quick points to add.
First, the BBC never sold any negatives to overseas broadcasters. They only sold projection prints ("positives"). So anyone claiming to have rediscovered a 16mm film negative must be in possession of an amateur film, converted from 8mm or Super8.
Second, no one who had found a negative would sell it. The obvious thing to do, in order to make money from it, would be to have a film lab run off prints. You could legitimately make an unlimited number of projection prints from a negative, all of equal quality. Thus an ebay seller who genuinely had a rare negative would be more likely to run off half a dozen prints, and sell the film to six different buyers.
If it's impossible, or too expensive, for the seller to run off prints at a commercial film lab, why would he think that a buyer would be in a position to do so?
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Post by brianfretwell on Sept 4, 2021 7:25:30 GMT
It was rumored that countries could have made dupe negatives from those prints though, when copies had to be sent to individual locations for local transmission in places like Australia. Not substantiated though.
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Post by John Wall on Sept 4, 2021 8:49:07 GMT
It was rumored that countries could have made dupe negatives from those prints though, when copies had to be sent to individual locations for local transmission in places like Australia. Not substantiated though. It’s slightly possible that a very small number of dupes were used in Australia but before microwave links they had an internal bicycling system - the air dates substantiate that.
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Post by Nicholas Fitzpatrick on Sept 9, 2021 5:16:27 GMT
It was rumored that countries could have made dupe negatives from those prints though, when copies had to be sent to individual locations for local transmission in places like Australia. Not substantiated though. We know that CBC in Canada made duplicate copies, with the commercials burned in, for broadcast in remote locations that weren't connected to the microwave network - though perhaps only one copy, that was then bicycled everywhere. I assume this would have required a negative - though I'm no expert.
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Post by John Wall on Sept 9, 2021 8:32:05 GMT
It was rumored that countries could have made dupe negatives from those prints though, when copies had to be sent to individual locations for local transmission in places like Australia. Not substantiated though. We know that CBC in Canada made duplicate copies, with the commercials burned in, for broadcast in remote locations that weren't connected to the microwave network - though perhaps only one copy, that was then bicycled everywhere. I assume this would have required a negative - though I'm no expert. This has been discussed before. There are two ways of producing a duplicate print if you haven’t got a negative. The first is to create an interneg to produce another print. The second is that I believe it can be done in one step. However, I think you need to establish when the microwave links were established.
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Post by timothyk on Sept 9, 2021 12:06:50 GMT
You could use reversal film to make a direct positive copy, not sure how good the quality would be Though the Canadian copes were in fact Kinescopes (aka film recordings) of the Microwave Network feed made for a few remote stations - so the quality must have been pretty poor! Loads of info here broadwcast.org/index.php/Kinescope_Stations - though it doesn't say if the kinescopes used negatives or reversal film! Either way they were probably destroyed
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Post by Ed Brown on Oct 21, 2021 22:19:29 GMT
As best I recall, in the early 1990s the BBC released a VHS tape called 'The Cybermen: The Early Years', which had one episode sourced from a particularly poor film print. IIRC it was an episode from 'Wheel in Space'.
I always suspected that it originated from a duplicate negative, because the picture quality was so poor. The contrast was extremely bad, and it looked shocking on even a small tv screen. The quality difference from the other two episodes on the tape was very noticable.
So far as I'm aware, it's the only known occasion when an official release used what was, at the time, pretty widely assumed to be a recording that had survived through the making of a dupe negative.
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Post by maxstenner on Nov 4, 2021 18:52:58 GMT
I am 100% sure that if it isn’t 60s, it’s a modern dupe made as a hoax to fool people. No one in the 1990s or after would shoddily shoot footage from the TV on 16mm film camera.
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