Richard Develyn
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Living in hope that more missing episodes will come back to us.
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Post by Richard Develyn on Jan 24, 2021 9:31:42 GMT
I quite like the "complete the yeti" option, otherwise part 2 from: Myth Makers, Smugglers, Power, Highlanders, Macra and Fury.
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Post by stevehoare61 on Jan 24, 2021 9:56:45 GMT
Over all the Magazines and publications over the years,when this subjecy came up and Im sure Paul can put me right here, logically, Tenth Planet 4, should exist, it was reportedly not returned.after Blue Peter pilled it.Power of the Daleks 6 was another believed to be knocking about, again after Blue Peter and maybe in a private Collection. What the other 4 are, who knows, again logically, web of fear 3 , but has anyone gleaned info over the decades of other eps believed to still be in existence?
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Post by stevehoare61 on Jan 24, 2021 9:57:16 GMT
Thats pulled, not pilled..
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Richard Develyn
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Post by Richard Develyn on Jan 24, 2021 10:40:25 GMT
I have been following these rumours for decades and I have to tell you the signal-to-noise ratio is so poor I wouldn't given any credibility to any information we might have gleaned over the years. TP4 is the only one I would say was likely to exist in private hands, just from gut feeling, and now, of course, Web 3, but other than that I don't think there's any rumour from the past that you could pin any hope on.
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Post by jamesellis on Jan 24, 2021 12:01:43 GMT
Snowman would be good, as it would complement Web very nicely, I have seen every Who episode, yes right from the start, I'm 60 now, although I don't have firm memories over this amount of time, I've seen Marco Polo!
Snowman was a pretty scary serial, definitely a monster episode plus could have been a Hammer movie, very atmospheric loved it, scared the stinky plops out of me though! :-} For some reason the Highlanders sticks in my mind, I think because Jamie was in it, a great companion for Pat T, Fury was good, great cliffhangers, you couldn't wait to see what happened next, they really knew how to keep you hanging on back then :-}
Seeing the Daleks emerge from the Thames was a special moment, I think the entire country was watching that episode, the show definitely engaged with the national consciousness at that point & its been there ever since,
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Post by Richard Bignell on Jan 24, 2021 12:31:45 GMT
Over all the Magazines and publications over the years,when this subjecy came up and Im sure Paul can put me right here, logically, Tenth Planet 4, should exist, it was reportedly not returned.after Blue Peter pilled it. There's no evidence to suppose that it wasn't returned, but even if it didn't make it's way back to Enterprises, they still had the original negatives for The Tenth Planet. People only think that Power 6 might have survived because it was transmitted from a 35mm film print, kept in the Film Library rather than being a master videotape in Engineering that was wiped. There's a definite 1968 junking date for the 35mm though, so it's highly unlikely to have survived.
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Post by John Wall on Jan 24, 2021 12:33:58 GMT
I have been following these rumours for decades and I have to tell you the signal-to-noise ratio is so poor I wouldn't given any credibility to any information we might have gleaned over the years. TP4 is the only one I would say was likely to exist in private hands, just from gut feeling, and now, of course, Web 3, but other than that I don't think there's any rumour from the past that you could pin any hope on. Agreed. It would be a much shorter list of those episodes/stories that hadn’t been the subject of rumours! Almost all of it is extremely low quality, often bordering on desperation. There are claims that “clues” are “hidden” in the current series - still waiting..... Before Enemy/Web there was a longstanding belief that Power was on the way back - despite very few prints having been made - and we got an animated version. Every time an anniversary is due there’s speculation that an announcement is due. There’s been a lot of stuff that’s close to, if not actually, defamatory about Philip Morris and many still owe him apologies. Some may recall the infamous “omnirumour” after Enemy/Web. I spent ages being the resident wet blanket and pointing out the many flaws and contradictions in it. Things even got abusive at times when the fanatics - which is the origin of “fan” - weren’t able to deal with the logical arguments presented. In some (tiny) minds it was 100% true and a massive cache - including “Mission to the Unknown” and “Feast of Steven” - was either on its way back or already here and sitting in PM’s sock drawer waiting for........whatever. There were websites/blogs with omnirumour “correspondents”. I rapidly came to the conclusion that a lot of it was simply intended to drive traffic to them. Years later and the omnirumour has delivered........zilch! We know that people are still looking but WoF3 is the only ME that is known to have existed - in Jos - when PM first got there. The best position is to believe nothing until someone like PV goes public and says that a print is back in the UK and in proper storage. There may well be prints in private collections and, if they’re known, we can be sure that careful diplomacy is underway - but there is no obligation, moral or legal, for a collector to return/loan anything.
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Post by Vaughan Stanger on Jan 24, 2021 12:49:58 GMT
Seeing as I don’t expect all 97 episodes to return, I’d want episodes from serials completely missing. Marco Polo, Mythmakers, Massacre, Savages, etc. It be nice to have an ep for every serial. Agreed. For me, getting Massacre 4 and Myth Makers 4 back would be particularly wonderful, but then again there's Marco 7, Power 1, Highlanders 4, and Fury 6, too. So many historically significant episodes are missing. I also think there's something to be said for filling gaps to create runs. In that respect, Crusade 2 and Moonbase 3 would be useful finds, at least from my perspective. That said, I have little faith in Mr Morris's claim, unlike Paul's. But even Paul has pointed out that he cannot be absolutely sure that the collector he's been in contact with actually holds the episodes he claims to have. But really, someone please return a missing episode or two.... Pretty please!
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Post by richardwoods on Jan 24, 2021 18:00:05 GMT
The 5 missing episodes of The Abominable Snowmen & Web 3 would do me nicely thank you. Mind you, I would very much like to see The Savages again as it’s my first (very vague) Who memory. Power doesn’t make my cut. It was much better than I remember after seeing the animation but IMHO suffered from new Doctor syndrome, mainly the usual “odd” acting as the Doctors personality settles in, having said that it stands clearly above all the later regeneration stories. I still can’t think about Robot without shuddering. Not about acting, it's about historical value. Maybe not the whole serial but the first episode at least. I don't care all that much for TP4 either to be honest other than the historical value. I personally would put Snowmen near the bottom of the list but different strokes for different folks. Luckily for you Snowmen is probably one of the more likely serials to come back. Savages would be very nice, underrated Hartnell adventure IMO. No, I get the historical angle for sure, just making a purely selfish choice. Like you I would be delighted to see any episode returned. 😀
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Post by Luke Sherlaw on Jan 24, 2021 19:42:31 GMT
Before Enemy/Web there was a longstanding belief that Power was on the way back - despite very few prints having been made - and we got an animated version. Never understood the "there's not many prints made of them" statement. Power was in the 1975 Australian returns cache which makes it substantially more plausible than pretty much any other story that wasn't in that cache (excluding Web 3). We know that cache had episodes taken from it too so it remains a possibility that an episode or two of Power were salvaged from it. I know it's incredibly unlikely that anything from it exists but I find it a much more likely candidate than something like Fury or even Marco Polo. Marco Polo may be the most distributed story but we don't have a trace of it and where it may have been salvaged from. But I agree on the most part....these rumours almost always involve the most wanted episodes. Most of it isn't to be trusted in the slightest.
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Post by John Wall on Jan 24, 2021 19:47:59 GMT
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Post by Luke Sherlaw on Jan 24, 2021 20:14:57 GMT
Yeah i'm not disputing that there really are less prints for that story than most other stories. What i'm saying is that anything from the '75 returns cache probably has a higher chance of still existing than anything outside of it. We know that cache made it back to London and that episodes were liberated from it so there was very presumably an opportunity for other prints to have been taken too. As you say, Masterplan is the perfect example. I think Power has a much better chance compared to a lot of other serials simply due to this cache (albeit still depressingly low odds).
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Post by John Wall on Jan 24, 2021 20:26:42 GMT
The animated version suggests that recovering any of Power was considered extremely unlikely..
Imagine that one of the episode hunters was patiently negotiating with a collector for an episode of Power. They could “advise” against rushing into an animation.
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on Jan 24, 2021 21:01:07 GMT
The animated version suggests that recovering any of Power was considered extremely unlikely.. Imagine that one of the episode hunters was patiently negotiating with a collector for an episode of Power. They could “advise” against rushing into an animation. As Philip Morris remarked when the animation for Web 3 announced,the decision was a BBC business affair and nothing to do with the status of his search and recovery of that episode.The BBC know fans are hungry for new classic releases so are not going to wait for the real thing to turn up if it's going to delay the generation of new revenue.
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Post by John Wall on Jan 24, 2021 21:11:04 GMT
Look back and the reason why it wasn’t animated straight away - just telesnaps - was because PM was still chasing it.
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