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Post by Peter Thomas on Jul 22, 2006 7:41:35 GMT
There is also a complete list of all missing TISWAS episodes here: (You need to select the year & then select "view with full description" underneath it. The archive details for that particular episode of TISWAS will be underneath the episode date & details in ruby red. By the way, don't get fooled. The episodes may for 1978-1982 may say "details will be added in the future, but the archive status of these episodes is still listed underneath the episode transmission date). Anyway, here you are: www.tiswasonline.com/episode_guide.phpYorkshire, that is not true. I compile that page very carefully, and it is NOT a list of missing episodes at all. It's actually a list of all the episodes (whether they are missing or not). That's the whole point of it. Yes, some shows do have a field to show they're in the official archives, but even if it doesn't have that field, there are a few cases where the shows exist with collectors.
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Post by Peter Thomas on Jul 22, 2006 7:44:20 GMT
James2001, these are the OFFICIAL recordings held by Granada Media (the current owners of the ATV archive) as well as some really cranky home video recordings (probably Betamax) taken by one of the site's members, staplingmachine. James2001, take no notice of the above. The listings detail EVERY edition of Tiswas, whether they survive or not. We make a note when we KNOW they're in the official archives. We have some notes on recordings we have collected, but they are not on every edition we have, we're still going through a big backlog of recordings we have (there's about 30+ shows we have), and sticking a note on the database. I'm sorry you've been misled by Yorkshire.
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Post by Peter Thomas on Jul 22, 2006 7:49:53 GMT
...some really cranky home video recordings (probably Betamax) taken by one of the site's members, staplingmachine. I also object to this. All of Staplingmachine's recordings are excellent, except for one of them. They're excellent because they come from Betamax, not in spite of it! One of the first basics in video archiving is knowing that Betamax is a technically superior format to VHS. (No need to argue the popularity of VHS, we know it won in the end.) We've got a few Tiswas editions that have been recorded from VHS, and the quality is not as good as Staplingmachine's Betamax recordings. Matthew Butler's own VHS recordings however are very good quality, must have been really well preserved. It's like they were recorded yesterday! It's annoying there's a few jump-cuts in some recordings, but hey, as Tiswas has anything up 90% of its shows wiped (or never recorded in the first place), we're grateful for any recordings!
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Post by Stuart Douglas on Jul 22, 2006 20:19:13 GMT
Hancock's Half Hour -- The set that failed (Season 4) is listed as missing. It's currently available on DVD!! D'oh - sorry about that, typo Stuart
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2006 22:01:26 GMT
James2001, these are the OFFICIAL recordings held by Granada Media (the current owners of the ATV archive) as well as some really cranky home video recordings (probably Betamax) taken by one of the site's members, staplingmachine. James2001, take no notice of the above. The listings detail EVERY edition of Tiswas, whether they survive or not. We make a note when we KNOW they're in the official archives. We have some notes on recordings we have collected, but they are not on every edition we have, we're still going through a big backlog of recordings we have (there's about 30+ shows we have), and sticking a note on the database. I'm sorry you've been misled by Yorkshire. Thanks for that. It does strike me as odd though that so many episodes aren't listed as officaly existing in the archives. It's farily understandable with the earlier series, as Tiswas is the sort of show that wouldn't have been considered of utmost importance to record or archive, but I'd have thought the later episodes (the last couple of ATV series and the Central episodes) would be more complete in the archives. I also think it would be good to exploit old Saturday morning shows more, at the most all we ever see are short clips (usually hacked down to widescreen) on clip shows. It would be good nostalgia to see all those old Trevor & Simon sketches and episodes of Chums, or Bro & Bro from What's Up Doc, all things I can remember watching when I was a kid (well, with SM:TV, I was already into my teens, but still....), but are unlikely to be seen again.
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Post by Peter Thomas on Aug 7, 2006 13:43:38 GMT
They are, pretty much. There's plenty of those recordings about.
Almost every Saturday morning show has been somewhat 'time-sensitive', so it's tricky to repeat them outside of their live context.
You could get away with it for BBC's On The Waterfront and most of Dick and Dom In Da Bungalow.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2006 22:01:35 GMT
They are, pretty much. There's plenty of those recordings about. I was thinking of official archive tapes rather than home made off-air recordings. I'm sure pretty much everything broadcast by the main terrestrials since the late 70s exists somewhere on VHS or Betamax.
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Post by Happosai on Aug 15, 2006 11:42:10 GMT
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Post by jonathan coley on Aug 30, 2006 17:09:02 GMT
it's been completely omitted to mention 'the complete and utter history of britain', with michael palin and terry jones. this has 4 of it's six episodes missing from the archives, and a few sparse filmed inserts which survived in terry jone's personal collection
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Post by Stuart Douglas on Sept 2, 2006 21:59:07 GMT
I'll make the amendment to the Adventure Game asap - I seem to have a complete inability to FTP on my new PC though Re Terry Jones/Michael Palin - does anyone have definite details of transmission dates/missing portions etc?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2006 8:50:39 GMT
Complete And Utter: Three recordings exist, I think; two versions of episode 1 exist (one is a t/r of the transmitted version and the other an early reel format - as saved by the director - of an early edit featuring deleted sketches from the first two eps as originally envisaged before they were merged into one episode). The other episode is (I think) an incomplete one but i'm not certain which one it is. I think Gareth R. will know the details for sure though. Are you reading this, Gareth?
Terry Jones also has all the film inserts too.
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Post by LanceM on Sept 28, 2006 5:51:21 GMT
Is the missing episodes site going to release screen grabs for A for Andromeda and Out of The Unknown ? I really want to see some pics from these returned episodes. Have been waiting a while, with no results to the many e-mails I have sent. I do realize that these things take time, as this sort of archive material is closely looked after, as it should be. If someone could let me know either way, that would be great.
Thanks, Lance.
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Post by yorkshire on Sept 30, 2006 14:36:44 GMT
Peter, i'm not saying that all the episodes listed are the ones that exist/don't exist. All I'm saying is that the ones with the ruby red boxes underneath describing the archive details are the ones that are known to exist to your website team. that's all.
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Post by Greg H on Oct 12, 2006 16:11:48 GMT
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Post by H Hartley on Oct 27, 2006 12:53:36 GMT
How appauling! from the list
the BBC's action adventure serial shot on film ' Vendetta' also appears to be completely missing THREE SEASONS
I suppose like Forsythe Saga it was ineptly shot in B/W?
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