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Post by Richard Bignell on Nov 28, 2018 22:31:10 GMT
AS BBC Enterprises may not have known the content of the episode in advance of recording (other than it fell on Christmas Day 1965) they might have made the recording and then opted not to offer it as part of the story. So the negative might have gotten destroyed before a film recording could have been made. When DMP was made, the roller caption at the end of Episode 6 was not for 'The Feast of Steven', but rather for 'Volcano' (which is specified in the script), so right from the off, the story was being lined up by the production office as being an 11-part story that happened to have an extra non-related episode included on Christmas Day. As such, Enterprises evidently wouldn't have thought of it as being anything other than an 11-parter.
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Post by Robert Lia on Nov 28, 2018 23:49:32 GMT
So on BBC 1 The Feast of Steven appeared the following week instead of Volcano which was trailed the previous week?
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Post by Jon Preddle on Nov 29, 2018 5:23:47 GMT
The way I look at it is, Master Plan is an 11-parter that took a break for a week on Christmas Day. Feast of Steven was a one-off 'special' that aired in that break. I think of it as the 1965 version of 'Time Crash'.
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Post by Robert Lia on Nov 29, 2018 5:35:53 GMT
OK then how about this theory. Back in 1984 when the Time Meddler, War Machines and an uncut version of The Web Planet were recovered from Nigeria I remember reading that the copy brought back was the original BBC version and the archive at the time only held an edited copy (the ending leading into The Crusades). So was a separate recording made for country's not buying The Crusades or was the original film negative edited and adjusted or was there perhaps a second positive made of these episodes. . . ?
As for The Feast of Steven in light of some of the Nu Who Christmas specials I have seen they might as well as left it and sold it anyway even if it was not airing at Christmas Time, especially as the Nu Who specials are now seen at times other than Christmas with out any back lash ?
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Post by Jon Preddle on Nov 29, 2018 8:56:24 GMT
OK then how about this theory. Back in 1984 when the Time Meddler, War Machines and an uncut version of The Web Planet were recovered from Nigeria I remember reading that the copy brought back was the original BBC version and the archive at the time only held an edited copy (the ending leading into The Crusades). So was a separate recording made for country's not buying The Crusades or was the original film negative edited and adjusted or was there perhaps a second positive made of these episodes. . . ? The BBC always had uncut negatives. But they did also have cut prints with the alternative "Next Episode" caption (which I think came from Iran, since that was the only country that aired The Web Planet in English but then didn't screen The Crusade), whereas the prints that came back from Nigeria were uncut.
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Post by richardwoods on Nov 29, 2018 12:45:26 GMT
Didn't someone involved in the production, (a camera man maybe?) claim that a copy was made. I seem to remember reading somewhere a long time ago or perhaps it's just wishful thinking. Are you possibly thinking off Dalek Operator Robert Jewell taking offscreen photographs on transmission because he appeared as a character in this episode? He played Buster Keaton I think. Thanks, that could well be it.
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Post by zaqwilson on Nov 29, 2018 23:48:10 GMT
OK then how about this theory. Back in 1984 when the Time Meddler, War Machines and an uncut version of The Web Planet were recovered from Nigeria I remember reading that the copy brought back was the original BBC version and the archive at the time only held an edited copy (the ending leading into The Crusades). So was a separate recording made for country's not buying The Crusades or was the original film negative edited and adjusted or was there perhaps a second positive made of these episodes. . . ? The BBC always had uncut negatives. But they did also have cut prints with the alternative "Next Episode" caption (which I think came from Iran, since that was the only country that aired The Web Planet in English but then didn't screen The Crusade), whereas the prints that came back from Nigeria were uncut. Iran? I thought they were only sent viewing copies of Marco Polo and elected not to buy them?
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Post by Jon Preddle on Nov 30, 2018 4:26:23 GMT
The BBC always had uncut negatives. But they did also have cut prints with the alternative "Next Episode" caption (which I think came from Iran, since that was the only country that aired The Web Planet in English but then didn't screen The Crusade), whereas the prints that came back from Nigeria were uncut. Iran? I thought they were only sent viewing copies of Marco Polo and elected not to buy them? Iran TV screened 12 Hartnell stories between 1968 and 1970: BroaDWcast
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