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Post by paulcooksley on Aug 20, 2018 18:16:25 GMT
Hi all
Not so much missing of course, but just a quick question about this particular edition of TOTP as seen here:
It looks to me like it's originating from some kind of colour film? Obviously, 16mm b/w tele-recordings were still fairly common back in '73, but colour film prints of original vt material not so.
Does this look like film to anyone else? Or perhaps, is it just the way it's been uploaded to You Tube?
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Post by Dale Rumbold on Aug 21, 2018 9:34:00 GMT
I would guess the VT original has been processed through some kind of converter, like Handbrake, before uploading to YouTube, and whoever did it wasn't very careful about preserving the "50 fields per second" of the original and has thus got a "25 frames per second" output, making it look like film ; or, of course, the original may be a colour tele-recording - I know nothing about that.
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Post by Mark Tinkler on Aug 21, 2018 11:16:47 GMT
Certainly not film-recording - for one thing, no reason to go to the expense of a film recording with BITC (burnt in time-code). Just a low quality rip...
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Post by robertreinstein on Aug 21, 2018 13:12:48 GMT
Actually, the BBC holds this episode as a color telerecording.
This was most probably taken from a screener, which added the BITC.
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Post by Peter Stirling on Aug 21, 2018 13:16:22 GMT
The BBC version was wiped, this one apparently was found in a record company, so make of it what you will(The BITC could have come from another transfer?) Colour TRs were around, the ATV Liberace Show seems to survive in this format. www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyOp1eYis7o |
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Post by richardmarson on Aug 21, 2018 21:03:08 GMT
It is an experimental colour telerecording found lodged at the NFTVA in 2012, not a record company.
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Post by Jeff Leach on Aug 22, 2018 1:25:35 GMT
Think you are right Richard - Or maybe at the BFI in this format. I seem to remember this edition being screened at A Kal event in Stourbridge
It looked better than this upload, But it did have a smeary 2nd generation look.
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Post by Peter Stirling on Aug 22, 2018 8:17:25 GMT
It is an experimental colour telerecording found lodged at the NFTVA in 2012, not a record company. Oh well perhaps the record company gave it to the NFTVA then  as somebody at the NFTVA would have got their arse kicked letting the full version out onto the public domain if it was only them who had a copy. |
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Aug 22, 2018 9:45:52 GMT
It got leaked!
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Post by garygraham on Aug 22, 2018 20:00:39 GMT
It wasn't unusual to see colour "telerecordings" of video clips in the late 1970s. Especially in programmes that were made entirely on film. In the mid-80s programmes that had a lot of film content and some video clips would be edited on film with the timecoded video clips on film too. Then the video would be dropped in over after telecine.
I think some programmes that were recorded entirely in the TV studio may have been edited on film and then conformed (match cut) on video afterwards. A Delia Smith series sticks in my mind but I can't remember. The advantage was that a film editor could cut the programme on a steinbeck instead of tying up expensive video equipment. That all changed when offline editing on a PC became viable at the end of the 80s.
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Post by garygraham on Aug 22, 2018 20:05:03 GMT
Actually, the BBC holds this episode as a color telerecording. This was most probably taken from a screener, which added the BITC. I reckon the timecode has been added by whoever uploaded this. It looks modern and computer software generated. |
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as somebody at the NFTVA would have got their arse kicked letting the full version out onto the public domain if it was only them who had a copy.