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Post by Chris Wilkinson on Jan 21, 2018 12:28:35 GMT
The Destruction of Time BlogSpot states that 'the term 'Tele-Snap' should only be used in reference to John Cura's work, as several others offered the same service around the same time'. We know, from the same site, that Robert Jewell personally took screen photographs of The Daleks' Master Plan #7 as he 'probably knew this serial wasn’t being Tele-Snapped' by John Cura - this was during the John Wiles era for which no screen photographs were made. The site also states that Richard Martin holds a private collection of Tele-Snaps of the episodes he directed.
I have a number of questions. Who else, other than John Cura, was known to be taking screen photographs during this time? Did anyone else who worked on lost shows such as Doctor Who take any screen photographs that the public are currently unaware of? What did the others photograph, and how often? Were they operating on a commission basis, or simply for a personal photographic archive of television? Have any substantial efforts been made to find out who else was taking screen photographs, and have any been recovered? And finally, what (if anything) still survives?
Source: missingepisodes.blogspot.co.uk/p/tele-snaps.html |
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Post by Richard Bignell on Jan 21, 2018 13:12:14 GMT
Having studied and researched Cura's work quite extensively (and indeed written one of the main articles indicated on the site), I really don't know what's being referred to by others offering the same service. I've never heard of anyone doing the same thing as Cura or seen any evidence of such.
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Post by Chris Wilkinson on Jan 21, 2018 19:14:56 GMT
Having studied and researched Cura's work quite extensively (and indeed written one of the main articles indicated on the site), I really don't know what's being referred to by others offering the same service. I've never heard of anyone doing the same thing as Cura or seen any evidence of such. From reading some information on John Cura, it seems as though he was the "go-to guy" for this facility among television producers and actors etc. Do you believe that it is feasible to suggest that others may have taken screen photographs of a similar kind, say for personal collections, that we don't know about? |
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Post by Richard Bignell on Jan 21, 2018 19:39:35 GMT
As far as I'm aware, he was the only person to be offering such a service and both actors and directors were using Cura to take images for their personal collections. Cura's name is the only one that comes up in this regard and there's never been any indication or mention of anyone else doing any things similar. As indicated, others such as Robert Jewell and Chris Thompson did take their own off-screen photographs for their own record, but that's not the same thing as offering any sort of professional service.
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Post by Chris Wilkinson on Jan 22, 2018 12:02:18 GMT
As far as I'm aware, he was the only person to be offering such a service and both actors and directors were using Cura to take images for their personal collections. Cura's name is the only one that comes up in this regard and there's never been any indication or mention of anyone else doing any things similar. As indicated, others such as Robert Jewell and Chris Thompson did take their own off-screen photographs for their own record, but that's not the same thing as offering any sort of professional service. Though I'd imagine it would be highly unlikely, is there any possibility that people took screen photographs of Doctor Who in the other countries - either amateur or professional - for personal collections?
Is it also likely for any photographs taken featuring television screens to have been showing Doctor Who at the time, such as this one of a child watching Andy Pandy in 1963 (Source: www.theguardian.com/media/gallery/2010/jul/07/televisions-through-the-years#img-8)? Do you believe photographs of this kind featuring Doctor Who could be held in private collections, such as family photo albums?
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Post by Richard Develyn on Jan 22, 2018 15:28:03 GMT
I am *reasonably* sure that I have seen a second set of telesnaps for Evil part 1 - but it was a long time ago and I'm trying to check my source now.
It may have been that it was simply a more complete set, rather than a totally different set, but there were definitely some snaps I hadn't seen previously.
Richard
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Post by Hugh Pearson on Jan 22, 2018 15:48:03 GMT
Hi Richard - I think that those off-screen photos might be the ones by Chris Thompson who was the Production Designer on Evil.
These photos were the backbone of a great article and were featured in Richard Bignell's Nothing at the End of the Lane Issue 3.
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Post by Richard Bignell on Jan 22, 2018 23:26:32 GMT
Though I'd imagine it would be highly unlikely, is there any possibility that people took screen photographs of Doctor Who in the other countries - either amateur or professional - for personal collections?
Is it also likely for any photographs taken featuring television screens to have been showing Doctor Who at the time, such as this one of a child watching Andy Pandy in 1963 (Source: www.theguardian.com/media/gallery/2010/jul/07/televisions-through-the-years#img-8)? Do you believe photographs of this kind featuring Doctor Who could be held in private collections, such as family photo albums?
If your question is basically coming down to whether members of the general public, either deliberately or accidentally, might have taken photos that happen to show the television screen during an episode of Doctor Who, then the answer is undoubtedly yes. We already have examples of people doing that. But as we have absolutely no way of identifying who these unknown individuals were, no way of knowing if they happen to have taken their photographs during episodes that are currently missing or whether those pictures might still exist, it doesn't really get us any further forward.  |
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Post by Chris Wilkinson on Jan 23, 2018 0:11:47 GMT
Though I'd imagine it would be highly unlikely, is there any possibility that people took screen photographs of Doctor Who in the other countries - either amateur or professional - for personal collections?
Is it also likely for any photographs taken featuring television screens to have been showing Doctor Who at the time, such as this one of a child watching Andy Pandy in 1963 (Source: www.theguardian.com/media/gallery/2010/jul/07/televisions-through-the-years#img-8)? Do you believe photographs of this kind featuring Doctor Who could be held in private collections, such as family photo albums?
If your question is basically coming down to whether members of the general public, either deliberately or accidentally, might have taken photos that happen to show the television screen during an episode of Doctor Who, then the answer is undoubtedly yes. We already have examples of people doing that. But as we have absolutely no way of identifying who these unknown individuals were, no way of knowing if they happen to have taken their photographs during episodes that are currently missing or whether those pictures might still exist, it doesn't really get us any further forward. In reference to things such as off-air photographs, we know that there was someone in Australia who was taking photographs of Marco Polo (Source: missingepisodes.blogspot.co.uk/p/offair.html). How did these photographs turn up? Based on the fact that this individual has taken photographs on two separate serials, is it plausible to suggest that more exist from other serials? I disagree with the statement that it doesn't get us any further. Many recoveries of missing things have only ever been possible when the holder of such material knows that it is actually lost. By that logic, these very posts on a forum could at least spread an awareness of the possibility of screen photographs the likes of which have previously been described. It may prompt people to check their own photograph albums from the time, and there's no knowing what they'll find - if anything! |
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Post by Richard Develyn on Jan 23, 2018 10:47:01 GMT
Hi Richard - I think that those off-screen photos might be the ones by Chris Thompson who was the Production Designer on Evil. These photos were the backbone of a great article and were featured in Richard Bignell's Nothing at the End of the Lane Issue 3. I'll have to dig up my copy to check. Perhaps you're right - I remember there were two a4 sheets of pics which looked very much like telesnaps to me. In terms of other off-air photos, my old friend (I've long lost contact with him) Terry Reason took 10 pictures, 3 of Evil (4 I think), 3 of Wheel (3), 3 of Tomb and 1 of Web. The 3 of Evil appeared in DWM when they did their Evil synopsis many years ago. Richard |
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Post by richardwoods on Jan 23, 2018 14:21:00 GMT
Aren't there quite a few colour production photos of Power about. I seem to remember an article together with the published photos in DW Magazine back in the early 90's. Of course, as is often the case the memory can cheat......
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Post by Ronnie McDevitt on Jan 23, 2018 16:34:20 GMT
as he 'probably knew this serial wasn’t being Tele-Snapped' by John Cura -
I'm afraid I find the suggstion that Robert Jewell had even heard of John Cura let alone whether he was photographing any particular serial extremely unlikely.
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Post by Chris Wilkinson on Jan 23, 2018 18:10:25 GMT
as he 'probably knew this serial wasn’t being Tele-Snapped' by John Cura - I'm afraid I find the suggstion that Robert Jewell had even heard of John Cura let alone whether he was photographing any particular serial extremely unlikely. I'm not sure you understand what I mean. Robert Jewell, as with many others in the television industry at the time, were likely aware of John Cura's services. Taking photographs of a television screen to give actors and directors a visual showcase of the productions they worked on was a novel idea replicated by very few other people.
It is reasonable to assume that Jewell, who was only ever seen in person on-screen in The Daleks' Master Plan #7 (instead of being inside a Dalek), knew that the episode was not being "Tele-snapped" as this was part of the show's budget and was discontinued during the John Wiles era - something he might very well have asked about. Not wanting to miss the opportunity, it is also reasonable to assume that he took the photographs himself because he didn't want to miss the opportunity of documenting his on-screen portrayals for his own visual showcase.
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Post by Stephen Cranford on Jan 23, 2018 18:45:35 GMT
Am I right in thinking that the few known screen mages from "The Feast of Steven" are taken by a viewer watching at home? If this is the case I suppose it's feasible that other viewers may have done a few home made versions themselves.
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Post by Mark Vanderlinde-Abernathy on Jan 23, 2018 20:24:26 GMT
Am I right in thinking that the few known screen mages from "The Feast of Steven" are taken by a viewer watching at home? If this is the case I suppose it's feasible that other viewers may have done a few home made versions themselves. That viewer was Robert Jewell who played Bing Crosby in the episode itself. |
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