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Post by ianphillips on Apr 26, 2017 23:36:33 GMT
So I was thinking the other day about the different types of missing episode reconstruction and how dialogue is incorporated into them. The recons don't have lip movements and all of the animated pictures I've come across fail to pass the uncanny valley test and the lip movements look kind of wrong. That got me thinking about how web animations like How It Should Have Ended do their lip movements and how you can basically make anyone say anything with about nine or ten different lip formations. Why not do the same thing with Doctor Who? So I found a long close up shot of Steven in The Time Meddler and took a load of stills and edited them together with some audio from the Savages. I thought of ways to improve the process and repeated it by taking stills of The Crusade episode 3 cliffhanger and editing a line of dialogue from The Crusade episode 4, repeating the process with some new ideas, and what I think I have is a fairly nice form of stop-animation for creating dialogue in reconstructions. Tell me what you think. Steven: For this first one there are around seven seconds of blank space between lines that I forgot to edit out. www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMCGGUCfuiYEl Akir: www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdLEgGhULDINext I'm going to try and transplant lips from one image onto another to see just how viable this method is. |
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Post by tom rogers on Apr 27, 2017 0:44:18 GMT
Shades of Clutch Cargo!  Seriously, that is some interesting work. Thanks for sharing it. In some ways I found it less jarring than I expected. You might be on to something there |
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Post by ianphillips on Apr 27, 2017 4:18:17 GMT
Shades of Clutch Cargo! Seriously, that is some interesting work. Thanks for sharing it. In some ways I found it less jarring than I expected. You might be on to something there Thanks. When I get more skilled in lip-syncing and photo-editing and hopefully get my hands on some proper animating software, I'm going to try and do an entire episode. I've got my eye of the Faceless Ones. I'd do Web 3, but given its current status I don't want to get halfway through a reconstruction and have the episode get returned and all my work to be wasted, but if we go another year or two and it's still missing then I'll try and do it. |
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Post by martinjwills on Apr 27, 2017 8:09:31 GMT
Looking at the 3 recent thunderbirds episodes, that were filmed in supermarionation to go with the original soundtracks from 1965 that were never filmed, the 3 episodes match and fit with the original 32 made in 1964-6. So there are other methods that could be used with the soundtracks other than animation. At least the puppets had charm as well. www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcnDgIeNtBE |
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Post by bevanthomas on Apr 27, 2017 9:13:34 GMT
Very interesting. I'm always amazed by the tenacity and skill of people in our community. |
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Post by Dylan Heath on Apr 27, 2017 16:45:42 GMT
Bloody great stuff! A friend of mine Buzzcraft Productions has done some work very similar to yours, could it be honed I'm sure some brilliant reconstructions could be made! www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbNzWi8xV_s |
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Post by martinjwills on Apr 27, 2017 18:37:10 GMT
You would have to have some images to start with, and a lot of missing stories, where no episodes exist. I find most CGI unwatchable, even though ive worked with computers since the 1980s, and with graphics a lot of that time. I do find the old style of line drawn or stop motion more watchable, and not a pain on the eyes as with CGI.
I think the animations will be fill in episodes, where episodes exist, unless its a story like Power.
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Post by ianphillips on Apr 27, 2017 20:03:21 GMT
You would have to have some images to start with, and a lot of missing stories, where no episodes exist. I find most CGI unwatchable, even though ive worked with computers since the 1980s, and with graphics a lot of that time. I do find the old style of line drawn or stop motion more watchable, and not a pain on the eyes as with CGI. I think the animations will be fill in episodes, where episodes exist, unless its a story like Power. Yes, this is a format which would only really work for partially or mostly extant serials or, to a lesser degree, something with telesnaps as I don't think lips change that much from person to person on monochrome so I could probably steal some stills from another serial. |
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Post by richardwoods on Apr 28, 2017 19:43:41 GMT
Can't fault your efforts but sadly it doesn't work for me I'm afraid. But then again as most of you know I'm not keen on telesnap recons either. |
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Post by Liam Masters on Apr 28, 2017 20:42:05 GMT
Don't know what to think of this type of recon... always seen the telesnaps + photos ones as the best. They just give a much better feeling of how it would have originally looked as opposed to the animations.
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