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Post by ianphillips on Feb 26, 2017 21:12:53 GMT
So, I was watching the surviving footage of the Tenth Planet I saw this in the very first few frames of the blue peter segment:  If I remember correctly, there is one or two missing seconds between where the 8mm recording stops and the blue peter segment begins. Is it possible that some sort of image showed on the screen in that time, maybe of the companions? I can distinctly make out four figures. Has anyone else noticed this? |
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Post by timothyk on Feb 26, 2017 21:30:06 GMT
They look like the Blue Peter presenters to me!
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Post by Richard Tipple on Feb 26, 2017 21:35:48 GMT
Those three figures are the Blue Peter presenters. Doesn't this 'floor' shot cut directly to the face close up when the light illuminates Hartnell's face and the transition begins? I'm fairly sure there isn't time for a companion montage there.. besides I'm certain this would have been remembered by those that watched it live and certainly there would be paperwork to back it up. Nice idea though!
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Post by ianphillips on Feb 26, 2017 21:42:29 GMT
Those three figures are the Blue Peter presenters. Doesn't this 'floor' shot cut directly to the face close up when the light illuminates Hartnell's face and the transition begins? I'm fairly sure there isn't time for a companion montage there.. besides I'm certain this would have been remembered by those that watched it live and certainly there would be paperwork to back it up. Nice idea though! Yeah, that's why it really weirded me out because it was only like a two second gap, but there were definitely people in the frame so I figured it had to have been something like that. It never occurred to me that it might have actually been the presenters in a cross fade. However, if there was a cross-fade, does that mean that me technically have more footage of the regeneration than is on the dvds or reconstructions but that is never shown because it has the presenters on it? |
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Post by Richard Tipple on Feb 26, 2017 21:51:09 GMT
Those three figures are the Blue Peter presenters. Doesn't this 'floor' shot cut directly to the face close up when the light illuminates Hartnell's face and the transition begins? I'm fairly sure there isn't time for a companion montage there.. besides I'm certain this would have been remembered by those that watched it live and certainly there would be paperwork to back it up. Nice idea though! Yeah, that's why it really weirded me out because it was only like a two second gap, but there were definitely people in the frame so I figured it had to have been something like that. It never occurred to me that it might have actually been the presenters in a cross fade. However, if there was a cross-fade, does that mean that me technically have more footage of the regeneration than is on the dvds or reconstructions but that is never shown because it has the presenters on it? Yes, I guess you could say that's true. Some of the DMP footage that only exists thanks to Blue Peter has - I believe - a diagonal iris transition from the footage to the BP presenters. Obviously that's not included in any recons, Oh, I loved your idea so much I mocked up a little 'artists impression' for you!  |
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Post by John W King on Feb 26, 2017 22:26:21 GMT
Nice idea. Love the montage. But it didn't happen. I actually saw the episode when it was first brosdcast. There were most definitely no missing frames. In fact it may have helped because watching it was a bit baffling. Bear in mind none of us knew what was happening. One minute Mondas burnt up.(Incidentally that looked like a polystyrene ball on fire but filmed upside down so the flames burnt down and melting debris dropped upwards). Then we were in the smoke filled Cyber ship and the Doctor says his old body is wearing out. The Tardis in the snowy icy waste is apprached by Polly and Ben. Inside the Tardis and the glass column starts rising up and down. The Doctor lies sprawled in the floor..... It all seemed rushed and confusing. One day that episode and the following 6 WILL be found!
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Post by Mike Biggs on Feb 26, 2017 23:34:30 GMT
Nice idea. Love the montage. But it didn't happen. I actually saw the episode when it was first brosdcast. There were most definitely no missing frames. In fact it may have helped because watching it was a bit baffling. Bear in mind none of us knew what was happening. One minute Mondas burnt up.(Incidentally that looked like a polystyrene ball on fire but filmed upside down so the flames burnt down and melting debris dropped upwards). Then we were in the smoke filled Cyber ship and the Doctor says his old body is wearing out. The Tardis in the snowy icy waste is apprached by Polly and Ben. Inside the Tardis and the glass column starts rising up and down. The Doctor lies sprawled in the floor..... It all seemed rushed and confusing. One day that episode and the following 6 WILL be found! I never saw it originally (bit before my time), but found the animated version to be confusing and disjointed. I had wondered how it reflected the original, so very interesting to read a first hand recollection of it. |
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Post by ianphillips on Feb 27, 2017 0:42:52 GMT
Nice idea. Love the montage. But it didn't happen. I actually saw the episode when it was first brosdcast. There were most definitely no missing frames. In fact it may have helped because watching it was a bit baffling. Bear in mind none of us knew what was happening. One minute Mondas burnt up.(Incidentally that looked like a polystyrene ball on fire but filmed upside down so the flames burnt down and melting debris dropped upwards). Then we were in the smoke filled Cyber ship and the Doctor says his old body is wearing out. The Tardis in the snowy icy waste is apprached by Polly and Ben. Inside the Tardis and the glass column starts rising up and down. The Doctor lies sprawled in the floor..... It all seemed rushed and confusing. One day that episode and the following 6 WILL be found! When I said missing frames I meant missing frames in what exists currently in the archive, not missing frames on the broadcast/master. There was a second or two of footage on the broadcast that lies in between the 8mm and the blue peter segment that does not currently exist, but did happen. |
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Post by tombeveridge on Feb 27, 2017 3:17:47 GMT
So, I was watching the surviving footage of the Tenth Planet I saw this in the very first few frames of the blue peter segment: If I remember correctly, there is one or two missing seconds between where the 8mm recording stops and the blue peter segment begins. Is it possible that some sort of image showed on the screen in that time, maybe of the companions? I can distinctly make out four figures. Has anyone else noticed this? It's Peter Purves on the left, the unmistakable Val Singleton in the centre, and John Noakes (with the pudding bowl haircut) to the right. |
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Post by bevanthomas on Feb 27, 2017 9:25:11 GMT
Nice idea. Love the montage. But it didn't happen. I actually saw the episode when it was first brosdcast. There were most definitely no missing frames. In fact it may have helped because watching it was a bit baffling. Bear in mind none of us knew what was happening. One minute Mondas burnt up.(Incidentally that looked like a polystyrene ball on fire but filmed upside down so the flames burnt down and melting debris dropped upwards). Then we were in the smoke filled Cyber ship and the Doctor says his old body is wearing out. The Tardis in the snowy icy waste is apprached by Polly and Ben. Inside the Tardis and the glass column starts rising up and down. The Doctor lies sprawled in the floor..... It all seemed rushed and confusing. One day that episode and the following 6 WILL be found! Hope springs eternal and I'd love to see you proved right. In reality, however, they're the least likely to be found...  |
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Post by ianphillips on Feb 27, 2017 21:48:54 GMT
Nice idea. Love the montage. But it didn't happen. I actually saw the episode when it was first brosdcast. There were most definitely no missing frames. In fact it may have helped because watching it was a bit baffling. Bear in mind none of us knew what was happening. One minute Mondas burnt up.(Incidentally that looked like a polystyrene ball on fire but filmed upside down so the flames burnt down and melting debris dropped upwards). Then we were in the smoke filled Cyber ship and the Doctor says his old body is wearing out. The Tardis in the snowy icy waste is apprached by Polly and Ben. Inside the Tardis and the glass column starts rising up and down. The Doctor lies sprawled in the floor..... It all seemed rushed and confusing. One day that episode and the following 6 WILL be found! Hope springs eternal and I'd love to see you proved right. In reality, however, they're the least likely to be found... I don't know. Power 1-5 definitely are, but Tenth Planet 4 and Power 6 do have a slightly above average though still incredibly low chance of being recovered. |
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Post by richardwoods on Feb 28, 2017 14:57:00 GMT
We keep being told that just because multiple copies of Marco Polo were made it doesn't make it any more or less likely to be found, (I know, I don't understand why either), so by that logic, TP4 and Power 1 to 6 are just as likely (or more probably unlikely) to be found, apparently 🙄
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Post by jayglover on Feb 28, 2017 17:06:07 GMT
Yep, I think that is the blue pater team
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Post by John W King on Feb 28, 2017 19:41:37 GMT
I live in hope that episode 4 of Tenth Planet will be found only because I find it odd that the first, 3 episodes exist. Someone must have conclusively known what happened to it. As for Power.... We must optimistically dream but yes, chances are low.
However I do remain optimistic. I am nearly 63 and through my life I have lost, missed or never owned certain things from my childhood in the 1960's.Books, music,comic's, toys..... TV programmes..... But now thanks to things like republishing, and the Internet I now own or re-own many of the items. Things like comic strip - the Phantom Patrol, the Purple Cloud, certain Rupert annuals from 1936 - 19.86, bubblegum cards are now complete in my collections. Even Dads of childhood programmes like Space Paatrol etc are now in my collections. One day I aim to completey Doctor Who stories. Just missing 96 odd episodes so live in hope!
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Post by Ronnie McDevitt on Feb 28, 2017 20:08:13 GMT
Thirty years ago amid the Blue Peter - and other strong - rumours Tenth Planet 4 was widely considered to be the most likely missing episode to be in existence and the most likely to be recovered.
Now it is one of the least likely to turn up.
At one point during the 1980s it seemed only a matter of time before serial DD was complete. Three decades later and we are still waiting......
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