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Post by lousingh on Nov 9, 2016 15:27:44 GMT
So Since you "know" that footage is in private hands why not tell us exactly "which footage" is in private hands as for the part about picking up woman at cons I attended conventions when I was a young buck in the 1980's and never once did I wave a camera copy of any episode of Dr. Who at a chick and have them jump in bed with me. In fact I am laughing just thinking that I could have said hey baby I got an NTSC camera copy of Arc of Infinity wanna come up to my room and lay on the bed and watch it A sort of 80's, 'Marco' and chill?  As I have said before: "The Traitors" - from Kirksen grabbing Katarina through to the two bodies floating in space; "The Power of the Daleks", episode 1 - from the opening titles through to the Doctor playing his jig on the recorder. I am one of several eyewitnesses to one 40-something BNF attempting up a 23 year old woman at a con with the temptation of seeing the missing episodes he brought with him to the con. He and his cronies twice tried to pick up other people I know very well (one was 21 at the time; the other was 13 [thirteen]). I had warned them about this ruse. These women they both said that his friends who tried to pick them up had claimed to have over half the missing episodes at the time in their possession and had seen more. (That would have been 66/132, for those who want to know when this was.) The then-21 year old is now a Republican political operative and businesswoman in the Pittsburgh area. The then-13 year old has since joined the USAF and has done 2 tours in Iraq and 2 more in Afghanistan. As friends of mine for 30 years, I trust them without question. Indeed, the former 13 year old compared Trump to these clods last month when I told her about the animation of The Power of the Daleks. Make fun of me all you want. I know that it has been tried at least three times. Just because it sounds ridiculous to you doesn't mean it didn't happen. That's aside from the other unsubstantiated claims I know about with "The Myth Makers", "The Savages", "The Highlanders", and "The Wheel in Space". |
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Post by Richard Marple on Nov 9, 2016 17:09:06 GMT
I suspect there are a few in private collections, but the owner isn't aware of their significance - like UM2 and Airlock. What worries me is that film collectors are likely to be ageing and I worry that the collection will just be dumped when they die. These are my thoughts as well, that some escaped episodes have been traded by collectors a few times & the current owners aren't aware of the significance of some reels, let alone their relatives. The owner of the prints of UM2 and Airlock was unaware they were missing episodes IIRC. |
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Post by lousingh on Nov 9, 2016 19:06:19 GMT
I suspect there are a few in private collections, but the owner isn't aware of their significance - like UM2 and Airlock. What worries me is that film collectors are likely to be ageing and I worry that the collection will just be dumped when they die. These are my thoughts as well, that some escaped episodes have been traded by collectors a few times & the current owners aren't aware of the significance of some reels, let alone their relatives. The owner of the prints of UM2 and Airlock was unaware they were missing episodes IIRC. Would it be worth putting ads in trade magazines and such to try and reach them and/or their relatives? In this work to recover films, I think it is necessary that people outside the sphere of Doctor Who fans become aware of the need. How to get them after that is beyond my ken. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 19:08:49 GMT
You and me, Lou, are going out clubbing this weekend. We'll sweep the board with our claims of holding missing episodes. Just as long as we don't tell anyone the honest truth, otherwise...
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Post by lousingh on Nov 9, 2016 21:10:54 GMT
You and me, Lou, are going out clubbing this weekend. We'll sweep the board with our claims of holding missing episodes. Just as long as we don't tell anyone the honest truth, otherwise...
"Please be patient, the wind is blowing in the right direc - "I would love to, but the best I can do is talk about the 20-something minute version of Helter Skelter I have. That seems like such a come-down by comparison. :-) |
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Post by Robert Lia on Nov 9, 2016 23:45:27 GMT
A sort of 80's, 'Marco' and chill? As I have said before: "The Traitors" - from Kirksen grabbing Katarina through to the two bodies floating in space; "The Power of the Daleks", episode 1 - from the opening titles through to the Doctor playing his jig on the recorder. I am one of several eyewitnesses to one 40-something BNF attempting up a 23 year old woman at a con with the temptation of seeing the missing episodes he brought with him to the con. He and his cronies twice tried to pick up other people I know very well (one was 21 at the time; the other was 13 [thirteen]). I had warned them about this ruse. These women they both said that his friends who tried to pick them up had claimed to have over half the missing episodes at the time in their possession and had seen more. (That would have been 66/132, for those who want to know when this was.) The then-21 year old is now a Republican political operative and businesswoman in the Pittsburgh area. The then-13 year old has since joined the USAF and has done 2 tours in Iraq and 2 more in Afghanistan. As friends of mine for 30 years, I trust them without question. Indeed, the former 13 year old compared Trump to these clods last month when I told her about the animation of The Power of the Daleks. Make fun of me all you want. I know that it has been tried at least three times. Just because it sounds ridiculous to you doesn't mean it didn't happen. That's aside from the other unsubstantiated claims I know about with "The Myth Makers", "The Savages", "The Highlanders", and "The Wheel in Space". Now I am not making fun of you, I was making fun of the situation. I attended my first Dr. Who Convention in Los Angeles in December 3, 1979 at the tender age of 15 years and 2 months. Since you are talking about the 1980's as I was I guess they were smart and called the guys bluff. we were all younger back then. For what its worth I grew up and did 20 years in the US Navy with 3 years in the Philippines (where I did not need to seduce girls with an episode of Dr. Who) I suppose it could be true that they were hitting on pretty young girls with the offer of play for a view of some missing episodes. But that I suspect was male testosterone. As some one who was very well connected back then I had herd the rumors of "Mission to the Unknown" and other episodes doing rounds on VHS but I think that if they really exited a VHS copy would have leaked by now. After all back then at least when you got something no one else has you want to show it to some one don't you. I mean you have to let some one see it to get the world out don't you |
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Post by ianphillips on Nov 10, 2016 0:47:26 GMT
Priceless! Is anyone on here interested in coming out with me to some nightclubs in Bristol this weekend with a hidden camera to see if the claim of having Doctor Who missing episodes works as a chat-up line? We could post the filmed results on youtube, and even get the link published on the Who Tube page of Doctor Who Magazine! Here's a sample of the questions we could ask: "Do you want me to show you The Bell of Doom?"
"Seriously, I've got The Mighty Kublai Khan..."
"I promise, I'll give you Four Hundred Dawns."
"Do you want a night of Jaffa?"
"No, I said The Dancing Floor, not the dance floor..."
"Have any of you heard of The Sea Beggar?"
"My place, I've got The Feast of Steven waiting for you all..."
"Yep, it's the one where Hartnell turns to the camera and wishes everyone at home a happy Christmas!"
Come with me and I'll give you Fury from the Deep.  I've got a Mission to the Unknown waiting for you.  Come to my place and I'll get out the Horse of Destruction.  I've got my Temple of Secrets over here.  Come with me and you'll see my Celestial Toyroom.  |
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Post by Sue Butcher on Nov 10, 2016 10:10:27 GMT
The bodies-floating-in-space scene from "The Traitors" I can believe. Has anyone checked with the estate of the late Stanley Kubrick?
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Post by jamesscott on Dec 19, 2016 20:41:32 GMT
I suspect there are a few in private collections, but the owner isn't aware of their significance - like UM2 and Airlock. What worries me is that film collectors are likely to be ageing and I worry that the collection will just be dumped when they die. I'm sure that has already happened😔 |
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Post by cjones on Dec 19, 2016 23:33:48 GMT
I think the majority of the remaining missing episodes no longer survive. However, it does not seem inherently unlikely that there are a handful of orphan episodes knocking about in private collections, and the odd complete or near-complete serial too. The most obvious candidate here is Marco Polo. I would guess that, of the 97, maybe 10-15 still exist.
What condition they are in, and whether or not they will be found, is another matter.
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Post by adamjordan on Dec 19, 2016 23:38:06 GMT
I suspect there are a few in private collections, but the owner isn't aware of their significance - like UM2 and Airlock. What worries me is that film collectors are likely to be ageing and I worry that the collection will just be dumped when they die. I'm sure that has already happened😔 I don't know about film loss but we do know that was the fate of thousands of John Cura telesnaps that his widow disposed of. She did ask the bbc if they wanted them but whoever took the call said they weren't interested. Which is a bit weird when Mr Cura himself was making a good living from them when he was alive. |
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Post by richardwoods on Dec 20, 2016 20:23:57 GMT
With a new animation coming out and the season for any potential announcements having come, I am curious to determine the mood on this. Do you think that there are still missing episodes that exist somewhere in the world (that includes any episodes the BBC may currently have, but have not announced yet) other than WOF3? This can be 1 or 97. Do you think that there are still episodes to be found? Yes |
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Post by John Wall on Dec 20, 2016 22:30:59 GMT
There are probably three routes for getting episodes back.
(1) Any that should have been returned or destroyed but weren't. This is the Philip Morris strategy that found Enemy and Web. We know he's still looking but sooner or later everywhere will have been finally checked.
(2) Any in private hands, by whatever means. This is a source that we'll never know has been exhausted.
(3) Off air recordings. The problem here is that we're looking for recordings made 40+ years ago and the further back you go the less recorders there were meaning that the chance of (a) Dr Who being recorded and (b) the tape surviving isn't particularly high. Then work back and consider what would actually be worth finding. The latest is Invasion of the Dinosaurs 1, then you have to go back to the Daemons - which is a big muddy in places - Mind of Evil.....I remember reading somewhere that Ian Levene didn't get a VCR until, I think, 1976. We know of home/private recordings from the 60s, but this is now 45+ years ago. This can't be eliminated but it's not something I'd invest a lot of hope in.
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Post by Dylan Heath on Dec 22, 2016 11:43:07 GMT
There are probably three routes for getting episodes back. (1) Any that should have been returned or destroyed but weren't. This is the Philip Morris strategy that found Enemy and Web. We know he's still looking but sooner or later everywhere will have been finally checked. (2) Any in private hands, by whatever means. This is a source that we'll never know has been exhausted. (3) Off air recordings. The problem here is that we're looking for recordings made 40+ years ago and the further back you go the less recorders there were meaning that the chance of (a) Dr Who being recorded and (b) the tape surviving isn't particularly high. Then work back and consider what would actually be worth finding. The latest is Invasion of the Dinosaurs 1, then you have to go back to the Daemons - which is a big muddy in places - Mind of Evil.....I remember reading somewhere that Ian Levene didn't get a VCR until, I think, 1976. We know of home/private recordings from the 60s, but this is now 45+ years ago. This can't be eliminated but it's not something I'd invest a lot of hope in. Somebody had a home recording of The Space Pirates episode 2, kind of annoying he had the one surviving episode of an otherwise missing story. |
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Post by John Wall on Dec 22, 2016 13:39:10 GMT
There are probably three routes for getting episodes back. (1) Any that should have been returned or destroyed but weren't. This is the Philip Morris strategy that found Enemy and Web. We know he's still looking but sooner or later everywhere will have been finally checked. (2) Any in private hands, by whatever means. This is a source that we'll never know has been exhausted. (3) Off air recordings. The problem here is that we're looking for recordings made 40+ years ago and the further back you go the less recorders there were meaning that the chance of (a) Dr Who being recorded and (b) the tape surviving isn't particularly high. Then work back and consider what would actually be worth finding. The latest is Invasion of the Dinosaurs 1, then you have to go back to the Daemons - which is a big muddy in places - Mind of Evil.....I remember reading somewhere that Ian Levene didn't get a VCR until, I think, 1976. We know of home/private recordings from the 60s, but this is now 45+ years ago. This can't be eliminated but it's not something I'd invest a lot of hope in. Somebody had a home recording of The Space Pirates episode 2, kind of annoying he had the one surviving episode of an otherwise missing story. Yep:-( iirc other episodes from the same era had been recorded - but didn't survive:-( Proves that it's possible - but I wouldn't take a trip to William Hill or Ladbrokes on the strength of it ! |
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