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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2016 20:08:36 GMT
letter from an NME reader dated the 18th March 1967... I've just watched the Move and the Pink Floyd on TV, and the show was great,because both these groups produce the most fantastic freak-out music! Susan Broadfield (Cleckheaton Yorks) anybody any idea of which TV show she was on about? What a wonderful letter and proof that psychedelia wasn't just a London thing
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Post by markdixon on Nov 18, 2016 20:32:57 GMT
It's possible that the reader was referring to Granada's "The Rave" programme. This featured the Move and Pink Floyd and was recorded on 06 March 1967. I think Granada had hoped the programme would be broadcast across the ITV network, but this never happened. Perhaps an unscheduled broadcast of "The Rave" took place in the Granada region (which included Yorkshire at the time) about a week before that edition of the NME was published.
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Post by williammcgregor on Nov 19, 2016 8:39:15 GMT
It's possible that the reader was referring to Granada's "The Rave" programme. This featured the Move and Pink Floyd and was recorded on 06 March 1967. I think Granada had hoped the programme would be broadcast across the ITV network, but this never happened. Perhaps an unscheduled broadcast of "The Rave" took place in the Granada region (which included Yorkshire at the time) about a week before that edition of the NME was published. Thanks Mark, I wonder if Granada kept footage of this pilot show? I don't suppose they did as it would probably have surfaced by now. It's criminal as Pink Floyd and The Move are two of my favourite groups
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Post by williammcgregor on Nov 19, 2016 8:43:54 GMT
letter from an NME reader dated the 18th March 1967... I've just watched the Move and the Pink Floyd on TV, and the show was great,because both these groups produce the most fantastic freak-out music! Susan Broadfield (Cleckheaton Yorks) anybody any idea of which TV show she was on about? What a wonderful letter and proof that psychedelia wasn't just a London thing Hi Shelley, I agree it's refreshing to think that Psychedelia extended beyond London. Seemingly good old Edinburgh had a thriving (Underground) scene? can anybody from "Auld Reekie" confirm that? I'm slightly too young otherwise i'd have taken part.
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Post by Tony Walshaw on Nov 23, 2016 8:16:58 GMT
In early 1967, would the regular music fan (in London & beyond) regard it as 'psychedelia'?
Or would they just be enjoying new music, without seeing it as a particular genre?
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Post by williammcgregor on Nov 23, 2016 8:53:20 GMT
The majority would probably have regarded Pyschedelia superficially?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2016 18:36:54 GMT
Terms like freak-out were part of the psychedelic hip jargon.
I recall hearing an old interview on a Ray Gosling radio documentary: it was from 1967 and the interviewer, in cut-glass BBC RP asked a hippy exactly what he believed. The hippy, in the broadest of broad Yorkshire replied, "I believe int' peace & love, and being at one wi' universe."
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Post by markdixon on Nov 23, 2016 20:53:09 GMT
In early 1967, would the regular music fan (in London & beyond) regard it as 'psychedelia'? Or would they just be enjoying new music, without seeing it as a particular genre? 'Psychedelic' became a fashionable word in the music press towards the end of 1966, so it's possible that many music fans responded to it in a superficial manner (or were baffled by the term). However, I suspect that many people in London and beyond properly understood psychedelic music quite early on because there had been many precursors. The Beatles, Donovan, the Byrds, the Yardbirds and others had paved the way for psychedelic music from 1965 onwards. I imagine that psychedelic music was deemed to be a distinct genre from late 66 onwards because of the drug associations, the visual presentation and the links to underground culture and alternative media. Aspects of underground culture (such as British Beat poetry, experimental jazz, auto-destructive art, Happenings etc.) had been featured in various British radio and TV programmes since the early Sixties, so many music fans in early 1967 probably had some understanding of the cultural scene that spawned Pink Floyd. There were also underground art, music and poetry scenes in cities such as Liverpool, Newcastle and Edinburgh from the early Sixties onwards. All of this probably explains why two viewers from the North of England were able to write enthusiastic and knowledgeable letters to the 'NME' and 'TV Times' as early as March 1967 about programmes that featured Pink Floyd.
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Post by SydV on Nov 24, 2016 19:52:47 GMT
Terms like freak-out were part of the psychedelic hip jargon. I recall hearing an old interview on a Ray Gosling radio documentary: it was from 1967 and the interviewer, in cut-glass BBC RP asked a hippy exactly what he believed. The hippy, in the broadest of broad Yorkshire replied, "I believe int' peace & love, and being at one wi' universe." Ha! Arguably the finest psychedelic single ever released was produced by a group from my neck of the woods, Bradford. The Accent "Red Sky at Night" in 1967 on Decca. www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGJXehlEqwQ
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Post by williammcgregor on Nov 24, 2016 21:15:13 GMT
Here's a letter Manfred Mann sent into the Disc and Music Echo music weekly and was published in the 7th October 1967... Footnote: The Death of Hippie event took place the day before on the 6th October 1967 as this great footage shows...www.youtube.com/watch?v=aF6uWimm9Gk
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2016 9:28:06 GMT
Here's a letter Manfred Mann sent into the Disc and Music Echo music weekly and was published in the 7th October 1967... Footnote: The Death of Hippie event took place the day before on the 6th October 1967 as this great footage shows...www.youtube.com/watch?v=aF6uWimm9Gk
He was a grumpy old sod, wasn't he, ol' Manfred.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2016 9:32:17 GMT
Terms like freak-out were part of the psychedelic hip jargon. I recall hearing an old interview on a Ray Gosling radio documentary: it was from 1967 and the interviewer, in cut-glass BBC RP asked a hippy exactly what he believed. The hippy, in the broadest of broad Yorkshire replied, "I believe int' peace & love, and being at one wi' universe." Ha! Arguably the finest psychedelic single ever released was produced by a group from my neck of the woods, Bradford. The Accent "Red Sky at Night" in 1967 on Decca. www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGJXehlEqwQFantastic stuff!!! I've not spent much time in Bradford, but I used to live in Richmond, up in the Dales. Fabulous people & fabulous place.
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Post by Kev Hunter on Nov 25, 2016 17:19:48 GMT
Ha! Arguably the finest psychedelic single ever released was produced by a group from my neck of the woods, Bradford. The Accent "Red Sky at Night" in 1967 on Decca. www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGJXehlEqwQFantastic stuff!!! I've not spent much time in Bradford, but I used to live in Richmond, up in the Dales. Fabulous people & fabulous place. Back in the early 1990s I was involved in producing and contributing to a psychedelic fanzine and tracked down two members of the Accent (John Hebron - vocalist, and Pete Beetham - drummer), and they were really nice guys. I'd seen a picture of the band on the inner sleeve of a compilation LP (possibly one of Bam Caruso's releases), resplendent in their multi-patterned clothing, so I asked about their distinct appearance and whether it had attracted any negativity. They told me that their clothes had been made by Pete's wife from curtain material, rather than having been bought from any hip London boutiques, and that despite looking very much like 'flower-power' types, they never thought of themselves as love-and-peace advocates, as (quote) "our music was much heavier than that."
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Post by Tony Walshaw on Nov 26, 2016 8:46:01 GMT
markdixon - thank you for a very concise answer to my question. It gives a good insight.
I suspect that keen music fans were aware of psychedelia, but maybe still a little bemused by it, early in 1967. I think many people may have looked at it as Manfred Mann did, in the press cutting posted by William.
In my own experience, I remember house/baggy/Madchester emerging in the late 80s. I liked much of it, but it was a bit mysterious, and tended to pass a lot of people by.
Parts of it, like sampling & cut-n-paste (using parts of older records) and retro fashions, did not follow previous pop/rock music conventions as I knew them.
Initially, it was not certain if it was a fad, or whether it would make a more permanent mark on popular culture.
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Post by markdixon on Nov 27, 2016 14:57:03 GMT
It's possible that the reader was referring to Granada's "The Rave" programme. This featured the Move and Pink Floyd and was recorded on 06 March 1967. I think Granada had hoped the programme would be broadcast across the ITV network, but this never happened. Perhaps an unscheduled broadcast of "The Rave" took place in the Granada region (which included Yorkshire at the time) about a week before that edition of the NME was published. Thanks Mark, I wonder if Granada kept footage of this pilot show? I don't suppose they did as it would probably have surfaced by now. It's criminal as Pink Floyd and The Move are two of my favourite groups Hi William. "The Rave" pilot has definitely been wiped. It would be nice if some behind-the-scenes photos or publicity shots were in existence somewhere. By the way, I had a look for more information about the programme and I found the following snippet online from an unidentified music paper: On Monday, Pink Floyd also did a pilot TV show with the Move for Manchester's Granada which is planned as a possible replacement for "Ready Steady Go!"
It's likely that the date of the article was 11 March 1967, but I was wondering if you know which music paper featured it? I also found a website which claims that the Move performed "Night of Fear" on the pilot, but I don't know if that information is reliable or not. I've checked copies of "TV Times" from early 1967 and I couldn't find any mention of "The Rave". The programme never appeared in any TV listings as far as I can tell. It's not even listed in the "Granada Television Programme Index" which was published in the early Seventies. I still think it's plausible that Granada broadcast the pilot as a last-minute replacement for a regional programme that ran into technical difficulties. However, another possibility is that clips of Pink Floyd and the Move from "The Rave" may have been shown in one of Granada's late-night regional shows such as "Friday Scene".
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