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Post by Rob Moss on Oct 14, 2016 11:10:15 GMT
There were domestic video tape recorders in the UK from 1963, so it's theoretically possible for any episode to have been recorded. However, factor in the tremendously small likelihood of a) such a recording ever having been made, b) the tape still existing without having been recorded over and c) the recording actually being recoverable from the tape, and it should go some way to explaining why no such recordings have turned up...
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Post by scotttelfer on Oct 14, 2016 11:16:29 GMT
Aside from the obvious two that you mention, Richard, I'd say the missing-in-actions from Series 6, since the series was selling less well by then. I think those two Invasion episodes are not high on my list of expected recoveries, so I'll go with those. The funny thing about Space Pirates is that it appears to have been transmitted at a time when home video recording was just about possible. At least, I've never heard of anything earlier, so I think the possibility of its recovery is raised by that factor. As for Invasion 1 & 4, I'm not sure I've ever understood why those two particular episodes are missing. Do we know? Richard I get the horrible feeling that if there had been enough people with recording equipment around to guarantee The Space Pirates' existence, then we wouldn't have needed any of their recordings because the BBC would have held on for the home video market. The Invasion seems to be an odd one. BBC Enterprises wiped their copy in 1974, then received the ABC copy in 1975, given what happened to the rest of those episodes they could be anywhere.
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Post by RWels on Oct 14, 2016 11:56:29 GMT
There were domestic video tape recorders in the UK from 1963, so it's theoretically possible for any episode to have been recorded. However, factor in the tremendously small likelihood of a) such a recording ever having been made, b) the tape still existing without having been recorded over and c) the recording actually being recoverable from the tape, and it should go some way to explaining why no such recordings have turned up... Hell yes! It's already a small miracle that there is off air audio for every episode.
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Post by Richard Develyn on Oct 14, 2016 12:27:26 GMT
There were domestic video tape recorders in the UK from 1963, so it's theoretically possible for any episode to have been recorded. However, factor in the tremendously small likelihood of a) such a recording ever having been made, b) the tape still existing without having been recorded over and c) the recording actually being recoverable from the tape, and it should go some way to explaining why no such recordings have turned up... I remember when VCRs first came out (Young Ones quote: "oh, have we got a video?"), there was quite a marked difference between the number of VCR owners between, say, 1976 and 1981. I *think* the earliest bit of VCR recorded Dr Who dates back to 1976 (the earliest I've seen is 1978). By 1981 everybody had a video. Although the numbers must be many orders of magnitude smaller, I would have thought that the number of owned domestic tape recorders in 1969 must have been much higher (from a multiplier point of view) than in 1963. Richard
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Post by Pete Morris on Oct 14, 2016 13:18:47 GMT
Well The Feast Of Steven of course! They never made an Australian copy of it so it's doubtful to exist. There is the tiniest smidgen of hope as it is thought that the Master Plan episodes may not be the Australian prints and could just be "Off The Shelf" copies which means that they have done a Feast Of Steven copy...but they probably would have found it by now realistically if they had. The other hope is that someone with an early home video recorder taped it but considering the only "recovery" we've had that way was a futher copy of Space Pirates 2, this also seem improbable. I said Feast of Steven doesn't count :-) Actually, being weird and unique, it wouldn't surprise me if it had somehow survived. It may never have ended up with the normal pile of Masterplan episodes when they were junked. It's also so particularly odd that someone might have taken it home as an oddity knowing that it wouldn't be missed. All guesswork by me, of course. Richard Virtually impossible, I'm afraid. The records show that no telerecording of the episode was ever made. It only ever existed on videotape, and when that was wiped it was lost forever. It's very unlikely that a film copy was made in the first place. If it was made, its very unlikely that it would have been in a different pile. There have been instances where one or other of these has happened, but any examples of both happening?
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Post by Pete Morris on Oct 14, 2016 13:20:17 GMT
My vote for an unlikely return - the Peter Cushing radio pilot.
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Post by Richard Develyn on Oct 14, 2016 13:59:02 GMT
My vote for an unlikely return - the Peter Cushing radio pilot. Argh! :-) People are far too clever on this board! What about one of the 94 missing episodes (i.e. not including FoS and MttU). Richard
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Post by Dylan Heath on Oct 14, 2016 16:36:19 GMT
There were domestic video tape recorders in the UK from 1963, so it's theoretically possible for any episode to have been recorded. However, factor in the tremendously small likelihood of a) such a recording ever having been made, b) the tape still existing without having been recorded over and c) the recording actually being recoverable from the tape, and it should go some way to explaining why no such recordings have turned up... I remember when VCRs first came out (Young Ones quote: "oh, have we got a video?"), there was quite a marked difference between the number of VCR owners between, say, 1976 and 1981. I *think* the earliest bit of VCR recorded Dr Who dates back to 1976 (the earliest I've seen is 1978). By 1981 everybody had a video. Although the numbers must be many orders of magnitude smaller, I would have thought that the number of owned domestic tape recorders in 1969 must have been much higher (from a multiplier point of view) than in 1963. Richard Nah, someone found somebody who had a video recorded copy of what they thought Space Pirates 3 which turned out to be 2 on closer inspection.
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Post by Simon Collis on Oct 14, 2016 18:22:35 GMT
My personal leading candidate "least likely" would be the two alleged episodes made with the radio DJ as the new Dr... mainly because if they ever existed, the chances of there still being a playable copy on video is slim.
/edit: removed the word "favourite" as I wasn't trying to imply any favouritism, merely which one I thought was the leader. (Also, I've forgotten the DJ's name, even though I saw the interview with him on a DVD extra only a couple of weeks ago. My memory's shocking...)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2016 20:56:21 GMT
The Space Pirates, as no-one seems to expect that story's return, for reasons that aren't clear.
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Post by Pete Morris on Oct 14, 2016 21:02:19 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2016 0:29:56 GMT
If he tried to pull that stunt off nowadays he could be liable to charged under the Fraud Act, 2006, Section 2: 2. Fraud by false representation (1)A person is in breach of this section if he — (a)dishonestly makes a false representation, and (b)intends, by making the representation— (i)to make a gain for himself or another, or (ii)to cause loss to another or to expose another to a risk of loss. (2)A representation is false if — (a)it is untrue or misleading, and (b)the person making it knows that it is, or might be, untrue or misleading.
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Post by Ace St.John on Oct 15, 2016 0:36:50 GMT
So was that one not true?!
I think I read about that in DWM at the time that a independent production co made a pilot ep to bid for the rights
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Post by Ace St.John on Oct 15, 2016 0:40:20 GMT
Here's the one that I would least expect to be found... youtu.be/josI9YR45dIThe third Peter Cushing movie
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Post by Ace St.John on Oct 15, 2016 0:44:07 GMT
That or the full colour version of ep 7 EotD !
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