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Post by ianphillips on Sept 13, 2016 0:55:28 GMT
There have been many polls on which serial you would most like to be returned, but there haven't really been any on which you would be most happy to have returned. They are often not the same. It is my belief that every Whovian has a dream serial that they would enjoy having returned more than any other. For example, the serial that I most want returned is Power of the Daleks, but my dream serial (as pretty much anyone who has read one of my posts could guess) is Fury from the Deep. I would be ecstatic at the return of either as I would over any returned episode, but Fury would make me the most ecstatic of any. It is very common to see Power and The Tenth Planet placed as the serials people most want recovered due their historical significance, or the Daleks' Master Plan because it would return the most episodes, but I think that often those serials are not the ones that said voters would be the happiest to have returned. That's not to say that those three can't be dream serials, they can be and are, but I think other things (like historical significance and episode count) get them voted for more than they might otherwise be. I might be totally wrong and the poll results will be exactly the same, but I want to see if a different serial else takes the lead.
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Post by Marty Schultz on Sept 13, 2016 0:59:26 GMT
There's a difference between episode and story. I'd rather have masterplan which means more episodes back but actually if only 1 episode I would prefer 10th planet pt4. Then I voted for Marco anyway!
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Post by andyeves on Sept 13, 2016 1:01:36 GMT
There have been many polls on which episode you would most like to be returned, but there haven't really been any on which you would be most happy to have returned. They are often not the same. It is my belief that every Whovian has a dream episode that they would enjoy having returned more than any other. For example, the episode that I most want returned is Power of the Daleks, but my dream episode (as pretty much anyone who has read one of my posts could guess) is Fury from the Deep. I would be ecstatic at the return of either as I would over any returned episode, but Fury would make me the most ecstatic of any. It is very common to see Power and The Tenth Planet placed as the episodes people most want recovered due their historical significance, or the Daleks' Master Plan because it would return the most episodes, but I think that often those episodes are not the ones that said voters would be the happiest to have returned. That's not to say that those three can't be dream episodes, they can be and are, but I think other things (like historical significance and episode count) get them voted for more than they might otherwise be. I might be totally wrong and the poll results will be exactly the same, but I want to see if a different episode else takes the lead. Your text makes references to "which EPISODE you most want returned" yet your poll seems to be for "which STORY - i.e. ALL of its missing episodes - you'd want returned" |
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Post by ianphillips on Sept 13, 2016 1:16:32 GMT
There have been many polls on which episode you would most like to be returned, but there haven't really been any on which you would be most happy to have returned. They are often not the same. It is my belief that every Whovian has a dream episode that they would enjoy having returned more than any other. For example, the episode that I most want returned is Power of the Daleks, but my dream episode (as pretty much anyone who has read one of my posts could guess) is Fury from the Deep. I would be ecstatic at the return of either as I would over any returned episode, but Fury would make me the most ecstatic of any. It is very common to see Power and The Tenth Planet placed as the episodes people most want recovered due their historical significance, or the Daleks' Master Plan because it would return the most episodes, but I think that often those episodes are not the ones that said voters would be the happiest to have returned. That's not to say that those three can't be dream episodes, they can be and are, but I think other things (like historical significance and episode count) get them voted for more than they might otherwise be. I might be totally wrong and the poll results will be exactly the same, but I want to see if a different episode else takes the lead. Your text makes references to "which EPISODE you most want returned" yet your poll seems to be for "which STORY - i.e. ALL of its missing episodes - you'd want returned" Fixed it |
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Post by andyeves on Sept 13, 2016 1:20:27 GMT
Shame as "which episode" would have been a better poll. "Which story" will put a bias towards those with the most episodes missing.
If it is was "which episode", I'd have probably gone for WOF3, so it wouldn't feel such a pisser having it snatched from under our noses. But I wouldn't choose that over 9 episodes of DMP, 6 episodes of Evil etc ...
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Post by ianphillips on Sept 13, 2016 1:23:00 GMT
Shame as "which episode" would have been a better poll. "Which story" will put a bias towards those with the most episodes missing. If it is was "which episode", I'd have probably gone for WOF3, so it wouldn't feel such a pisser having it snatched from under our noses. But I wouldn't choose that over 9 episodes of DMP, 6 episodes of Evil etc ... Yeah, it would be interesting but that would be a poll with 97 choices. |
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Post by andyeves on Sept 13, 2016 1:27:43 GMT
Shame as "which episode" would have been a better poll. "Which story" will put a bias towards those with the most episodes missing. If it is was "which episode", I'd have probably gone for WOF3, so it wouldn't feel such a pisser having it snatched from under our noses. But I wouldn't choose that over 9 episodes of DMP, 6 episodes of Evil etc ... Yeah, it would be interesting but that would be a poll with 97 choices. Unless the poll was "from which story would you want any ONE episode returned". Anyway, your poll so good luck with it. |
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Post by Max B on Sept 13, 2016 4:07:57 GMT
So basically, which story do we want back based on no criteria other than how good a story we think it is? Interesting.
It was a tough decision for me, but I think I still have to go with The Power of the Daleks. It has historical relevance on its side, but the bigger reason I want that one back is just because I think it's an absolutely astonishingly good story. I'd argue that it's the best of the 1960's, and maybe even the best of the classic series. And that's just going by the reconstruction.
Runner-ups are The Myth Makers and The Macra Terror, either one of which I might have had to vote for if we were considering criteria other than quality (because I think that everyone agrees that Power of the Daleks is fantastic, whereas I'd like to see Macra Terror or Myth Makers get re-evaluated the way Enemy of the World did).
If I were just going to pick an episode I'd like to see one episode returned from, I'd probably pick The Macra Terror, which I suspect is pretty interesting visually. Or The Massacre, since I'd really love to see some of the performances in that one (particularly Hartnell's).
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Post by johnbarbour on Sept 13, 2016 7:15:36 GMT
Interesting twist on the polls; kills time until someone turns up a missing episode! I think Ian is right in that the missing episodes/ serials may skew views on popularity. Viewing figures at the time for some of the missing classics don't always parallel our current levels of interest. Now that I have Web to view 24/7 it loses a teensy weeny bit of its appeal (saw it first time round and it's still brilliant) but somehow a missing story will have that extra "I really want to see that again" factor. So whilst Power is my number one "get it back please" I have voted for what I think is an overlooked serial - Invasion. This is the story that set the scene for the 1970s era and when I first saw it there was a definite adult thriller factor along with some chilling scenes such as Jamie getting closed into a coffin-like container along with a slumbering cyberman, the reactivation of the mad cyberman and the invasion scenes themselves. So I miss the still missing episodes of Invasion. Perhaps two episodes too long but as an epic two feature films' worth it is a great advert for Dr Who and cemented UNIT into the programme's legend.
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Post by ianphillips on Sept 13, 2016 12:06:13 GMT
So basically, which story do we want back based on no criteria other than how good a story we think it is? Interesting. It was a tough decision for me, but I think I still have to go with The Power of the Daleks. It has historical relevance on its side, but the bigger reason I want that one back is just because I think it's an absolutely astonishingly good story. I'd argue that it's the best of the 1960's, and maybe even the best of the classic series. And that's just going by the reconstruction. Runner-ups are The Myth Makers and The Macra Terror, either one of which I might have had to vote for if we were considering criteria other than quality (because I think that everyone agrees that Power of the Daleks is fantastic, whereas I'd like to see Macra Terror or Myth Makers get re-evaluated the way Enemy of the World did). If I were just going to pick an episode I'd like to see one episode returned from, I'd probably pick The Macra Terror, which I suspect is pretty interesting visually. Or The Massacre, since I'd really love to see some of the performances in that one (particularly Hartnell's). I could definitely see the Myth Makers getting reevaluated as that is my favorite Hartnell. The only reason that Terror wouldn't be one of the ones I would most like to have returned is just how brilliantly the story works as a reconstruction. I don't think I missed anything in episodes 1 and 2 and almost nothing in episode 3. Episode 4 on the other hand would be the episode I would recover if I could choose one from the serial because that one was terrible as a recon. |
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Post by Richard Develyn on Sept 13, 2016 13:26:49 GMT
The Abominable Snowmen target book is what got me hooked on Doctor Who, so Snowmen it is for me.
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Post by Alastair Fleming on Sept 13, 2016 13:46:54 GMT
Had to be Power - my favourite Doctor Who story. I've always wanted to see it!
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Post by Richard Tipple on Sept 13, 2016 13:50:51 GMT
Marco,
Followed by DMP and The Smugglers a close third!
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Post by George D on Sept 13, 2016 14:24:32 GMT
Evil I still feel is the peak of 60s who.
Power will be great but troughtons character isn't fully developed yet.
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Post by Sue Butcher on Sept 13, 2016 14:57:07 GMT
Nice to see Space Pirates getting a vote. I saw it twice, and perhaps that's why it bugs me that it's nearly all gone. With Evil I don't really know what I'm missing apart from episode 7, and the bits of Fury I remember seeing happen to be bits that still exist!
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