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Post by John W King on Sept 8, 2016 22:35:52 GMT
So the upcoming Power animation is coming and looking like it will be a commercial success. So what next? Animations of Evil? Masterplan? Possible but in truth unlikely. Power had strong reasons to exist in some visual form because:-
1.the first regeneration
2. A Dalek story
3. It plugs a hole in the continuing Story of Doctor Who.
It is unique for those reasons. Now it will be possible to make programmes telling a "full" story of the programme. So what next? What other missing stories make them vital to the story?
Sadly none.
Marco would complete series 1 but in hard commercial reality that probably won't be enough.
Evil is an exciting Dalek story that temporarily marked an end to the metallic monsters. This may be a possibility.
Masterplan is another Dalek story but at 12 + 1 episodes would be a huge challenge.
Above and beyond that I would not be overly optimistic.
But then the world of Doctor Who is a strange old thing.
I personally expect the unexpected and just keep wishing...
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Post by Robert Lia on Sept 9, 2016 0:27:19 GMT
The Evil of the Daleks was billed as "the final end" for the Daleks and in my opinion would be the only other one of "historical value" if one were going to animate story's based on "value". But if BBC America is satisfied and BBC Worldwide are satisfied with the sales then hopefully we might get more animations.
The Big Factor is that BBC America helped to fund the project which means BBC Worldwide was not going to go it alone on the animation of a full story.
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Post by ianphillips on Sept 9, 2016 0:41:36 GMT
So the upcoming Power animation is coming and looking like it will be a commercial success. So what next? Animations of Evil? Masterplan? Possible but in truth unlikely. Power had strong reasons to exist in some visual form because:- 1.the first regeneration 2. A Dalek story 3. It plugs a hole in the continuing Story of Doctor Who. It is unique for those reasons. Now it will be possible to make programmes telling a "full" story of the programme. So what next? What other missing stories make them vital to the story? Sadly none. Marco would complete series 1 but in hard commercial reality that probably won't be enough. Evil is an exciting Dalek story that temporarily marked an end to the metallic monsters. This may be a possibility. Masterplan is another Dalek story but at 12 + 1 episodes would be a huge challenge. Above and beyond that I would not be overly optimistic. But then the world of Doctor Who is a strange old thing. I personally expect the unexpected and just keep wishing... You're forgetting one thing. Companions. There are many missing episodes that include companion entrances or departures and I think those are very important to the show's story. The Myth Makers, Masterplan, The Massacre, The Savages, The Highlanders, The Faceless Ones, Evil of the Daleks, The Web of Fear, Fury from the Deep, and the Wheel in Space all include companions entrances and/or departures. That would leave only eight stories unreleased, nine if you count Menace. |
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on Sept 9, 2016 3:08:38 GMT
The Faceless Ones is a hugely atmospheric story which is ripe for animation.Added to that,it's contemporary setting would make it ideal for releasing in an animated form.Wheel in Space is an exciting and shocking Cybermen story. These I would love to enjoy again and again on DVD.
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Post by Will Weller on Sept 9, 2016 6:58:35 GMT
Power is currently one of the best selling DVDs on Amazon and I'm sure that it will do well on the BBC Store.
But if BBC Worldwide and BBC America do make a good profit, I think the next animation has to be Evil.
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Post by scotttelfer on Sept 9, 2016 16:58:53 GMT
I'd suspect Evil is the obvious candidate. Certainly off fan interest it is up there. DWM has it second top in the unanimated stories now Power is gone (I think we can assume Web isn't being touched).
Once you look past that it gets interesting. I'm thinking the monster series would be an interesting project on a slightly bigger scale, particularly if Web 3 comes back. As a broadcaster it seems like the obvious publicity magnet for Doctor Who fans.
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Post by ianphillips on Sept 9, 2016 17:19:48 GMT
I'd suspect Evil is the obvious candidate. Certainly off fan interest it is up there. DWM has it second top in the unanimated stories now Power is gone (I think we can assume Web isn't being touched). Once you look past that it gets interesting. I'm thinking the monster series would be an interesting project on a slightly bigger scale, particularly if Web 3 comes back. As a broadcaster it seems like the obvious publicity magnet for Doctor Who fans. I agree that Evil would probably be the next animation. I'm not sure what would come next after that, but I think it would be from season 4 (Faceless Ones or Macra Terror). They wouldn't choose the Space Pirates, and I think the BBC would leave season 5 alone, at least for a while. With the recovery of Web and Enemy it is entirely possible that Wheel and Snowmen could show up, and even Fury if Singapore accidentally shipped it with the other four (You know because it was right in between Web and Wheel so they may have just stuck it in the shipment not realizing they didn't need to). |
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Post by lousingh on Sept 9, 2016 17:36:39 GMT
If I am the BBC, the obvious candidates are The Evil of the Daleks and The Wheel in Space, with The Dalek Master Plan and The Highlanders as dark horses. Seasons 3 and 4 are the most obvious candidates for having a story done because there is so little from them surviving.
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Post by Will Weller on Sept 9, 2016 19:08:44 GMT
I think Fury from the Deep is the next obvious contender for an animated DVD and BBC Store release after Evil (if Evil is animated). It pains me to say it, but with nine episodes missing, and Mission to the Unknown, I think Master Plan might be just slightly too expensive.
But, just say that Evil and Fury are done next, that would be three serials animated, (with Power), all of which have six episodes missing. So after that, with "only" four episodes missing, The Faceless Ones maybe?
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Post by scotttelfer on Sept 9, 2016 19:51:34 GMT
I think Fury from the Deep is the next obvious contender for an animated DVD and BBC Store release after Evil (if Evil is animated). It pains me to say it, but with nine episodes missing, and Mission to the Unknown, I think Master Plan might be just slightly too expensive. But, just say that Evil and Fury are done next, that would be three serials animated, (with Power), all of which have six episodes missing. So after that, with "only" four episodes missing, The Faceless Ones maybe? I get the feeling at that point they'd feel obliged to do a Hartnell. If not at this point, then it will happen eventually. At least they've got Galaxy 4 and The Celestial Toymaker to keep them going before they start hitting the historicals. I actually think Toymaker would work really well with the animated style, I'm just a bit concerned they'll dive in with Marco Polo and kill the line. |
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Post by lousingh on Sept 9, 2016 20:27:08 GMT
If they do a Hartnell, I hope they do The Savages. If I were them, I would do Galaxy Four first.
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Post by andyeves on Sept 9, 2016 20:37:10 GMT
I agree with the point previously made, that the BBC will likely consider a story commercially viable only if it contains a high profile monster. If Power sells well then there is every chance they'll do Evil. But after that, I think the only (mostly) incomplete stories that they'd seriously consider would be Master Plan, Wheel & maybe Snowmen.
More than happy to be proven wrong though!
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Post by John W King on Sept 9, 2016 20:52:35 GMT
Please, please please understand I am not trying to be rude or insulting to anyone but when I opened this thread I was trying to say that any further animations have to be commercially viable. I was trying to say that Power was animated because of it's importance to the Who story as a whole. It is/was a significant gap in telling a complete story. No other story how good, loved, demanded, recommended , wished for fills that position. Yes, other stories have companions arrive or leave but in the great scheme of things, in the real, hard world of big business that would probably cut little ice. The best we can hope for is an animation of Evil simply because it contains Daleks.
Like everyone I would love to see every last episode returned or animated but I am not optimistic. I honestly can't see any of the historicals making it. I sincerely hope I'm proved wrong. I really hate sounding negative but, if you remember, we only got Underwater by the skin of our teeth.
on a more positive note:- Perhaps BBC could allow some of the brilliant fan reconstructions could be allowed formal release. Or ........
following the recent Lost Sitcom season we could ask for a Lost Drama season........? Keep searching. Keep hoping.
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Post by tombeveridge on Sept 9, 2016 20:54:38 GMT
First, I'm not a big fan of animations, although the POTD clips are startlingly good. My question is--if the BBC is going to continue with animations, should they be in colour or should b/w be retained? Now, obviously (I think), if animations are used to fill in a gap in an otherwise complete story, then a sudden burst of colour would be distracting but, if an entire story, such as Fury of the deep, were to be animated, would there be any objection to using colour, given that this may make it more commercially appealing to younger viewers?
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Post by scotttelfer on Sept 9, 2016 22:04:32 GMT
First, I'm not a big fan of animations, although the POTD clips are startlingly good. My question is--if the BBC is going to continue with animations, should they be in colour or should b/w be retained? Now, obviously (I think), if animations are used to fill in a gap in an otherwise complete story, then a sudden burst of colour would be distracting but, if an entire story, such as Fury of the deep, were to be animated, would there be any objection to using colour, given that this may make it more commercially appealing to younger viewers? If they think two million Americans could watch it today (when even the live action black and white wasn't considered viable in the 60s) then it's good enough to go as is. |
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