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Post by RWels on Aug 15, 2016 8:16:04 GMT
People have been going on holiday there. Same as Cuba, I suppose. Or Singapore. Iran is the same as Singapore or Cuba? Cuba has been a big holiday hotspot for years. Singapore is perhaps the safest city in Asia. Iran?!?! It's not Iraq ... but good grief. OK I am not saying this from first hand experience, but I imagine that in all of these places, if you stick to the rules, you're pretty safe to travel. The country is very controlled, so (organised) crime is low, that's how I was thinking. Whereas if (local) government is weak/absent, that is when you have to watch your belongings at all time. Speaking very generally, of course.
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Post by andrewfrostick on Aug 15, 2016 9:33:54 GMT
I was planning on sending them an e-mail back in May, but the only missing story that they may have is Marco Polo which isn't confirmed if they even bought or aired and on the tv station website its not in English so I gave up on them. View AttachmentWithout wishing to dampen your clear enthusiasm, this is not an amateur pursuit. The search for lost Doctor Who has been on-going since the 1980's - just about everywhere has been searched. Ringing and emailing TVs stations is a waste of time and could set back the searches of professional hunters such as Phillip Morris. You may be better placed looking out for leads through private collectors - which is possibly where any remaining copies might be found.
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Post by Krisander T. Weum on Aug 15, 2016 9:48:54 GMT
Yeah I tried to send an E-mail to the Hong Kong TV Station that aired these Missing Episodes back in the 60s, but The TV Station got closed down in the 80s so they can't be contacted by E-mail or at all. So I sadly can't contact the Hong Kong TV Station. But why not send emails to the local HK press asking if anyone has home-taped recordings? Or if anyone knows the ex-staff of these stations? There must also surely be OTR enthusiasts in HK likely Brit. expats. Just a few thoughts. Also I expect that the British Forces Broadcasting Service had a station in HK. Might be worth contacting Juergen Boernig [https://plus.google.com/108282382617855049227/posts] who runs the BFBS archive blog at [http://bfbs-radio.blogspot.co.uk/]. I don't know how to find their E-mails, I have a Doctor Who Wikipedia, A Blog with Information about the missing episodes and who bought them, what is missing (Both Episodes & Scenes that got removed because of Film Damage or Censored by other Stations that they got their episode/s at). I have written down all of the TV Stations with their Full TV Station Name and which Country they are in, I go to the TV Station's Website and find their E-mail trough there and send them an e-mail asking if they still have some Doctor Who Footage in their archive. If I can't find their E-mail on their Website then I will check if they have a Google+ Account to see if they have put it out their and if not then I try to contact them via Facebook or Twitter if they have a Site/Account on Facebook or Twitter, if they don't have any of it then I'm completely screwed and I can't contact them like the Hong Kong TV Station since it got closed down back in the 80s so they of course never got to be on the internet at all. Yeah BTW I did manage to send an E-mail to the TV Station in Iran, I just had to use Google Translator to find the ¨Contact Us¨ Area to find their E-mail(s)
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Post by Greg H on Aug 15, 2016 9:54:38 GMT
Iran is the same as Singapore or Cuba? Cuba has been a big holiday hotspot for years. Singapore is perhaps the safest city in Asia. Iran?!?! It's not Iraq ... but good grief. OK I am not saying this from first hand experience, but I imagine that in all of these places, if you stick to the rules, you're pretty safe to travel. The country is very controlled, so (organised) crime is low, that's how I was thinking. Whereas if (local) government is weak/absent, that is when you have to watch your belongings at all time. Speaking very generally, of course. This got me wondering. I did a bit of research and it would appear that Iran actually has a lower crime rate than America, making it, at least statistically, a safer place to be.
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Post by RWels on Aug 15, 2016 10:31:15 GMT
OK I am not saying this from first hand experience, but I imagine that in all of these places, if you stick to the rules, you're pretty safe to travel. The country is very controlled, so (organised) crime is low, that's how I was thinking. Whereas if (local) government is weak/absent, that is when you have to watch your belongings at all time. Speaking very generally, of course. This got me wondering. I did a bit of research and it would appear that Iran actually has a lower crime rate than America, making it, at least statistically, a safer place to be. They nicknamed Chicago Chiraq because its death toll was higher than Iraq's. Or similarly, I wouldn't really know which one is more abnormal, the US or Cuba. Cuba, although a dictatorship, has a sustainable footprint, affordable medical facilities and education. The US has its peculiarities or self-inflicted problems that are well known because they are so widely reported, such as gun fanatics, obesity, failing education system, most people in jail (in absolute and relative terms)... not to mention their presidential elections. (In fact as a one-time visitor, I'd be almost sorry to see Cuba fixed because it will inevitably mean that it will end up cramped not just with tourists but also with macdonaldses, starbuckes, hotels and resorts.)
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Post by Stephen Byers on Aug 15, 2016 10:40:15 GMT
Please can we remain 'on topic.' Discussions re: safety as a tourist in these less than savoury countries really belongs on the TripAdvisor forums. Take care.
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Post by johnnoboy on Aug 15, 2016 11:30:27 GMT
I would highly suggest Hong Kong as I have been doing some research and Hong Kong has come up multiple times
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Post by Krisander T. Weum on Aug 15, 2016 11:33:20 GMT
I would highly suggest Hong Kong as I have been doing some research and Hong Kong has come up multiple times Yeah also know that Hong Kong may have something may even some Missing Episodes, but when the TV Station closed down in the 80's and they have no E-mail, Facebook, Google+ or Twitter, then how the hell am I supposed to contact them?
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Post by RWels on Aug 15, 2016 13:03:41 GMT
Please can we remain 'on topic.' Discussions re: safety as a tourist in these less than savoury countries really belongs on the TripAdvisor forums. Take care. Well, perhaps, but then again if this is to be a serious discussion, then I am skeptical if lost episodes can really be found from behind a computer screen sending emails in English. I went to the national film archive in Prague once (for something completely different), and they didn't even speak English. Morris went to Nigeria (and was kidnapped there, hence the safety subject). I'm amazed you got as many replies as you did. Also, I don't know why it didn't come up before, but in general the people who conduct the official search advise against this. They think it's potentially harmful if private individuals start contacting stations and archives asking for Doctor Who. Let alone if someone with less pure intentions reads this thread and joins in and pretends to be a BBC employee in order to gain access. I don't know how serious that risk is, but it's true that some of these places are not at all geared to dealing with private members of the public. I mean you shouldn't rule anything out and I appreciate the effort, but Paul Vanezis did phone these places when the search started. I think with other shows than DW you might have a better chance to find missing episodes or home recorded audio.
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Post by RWels on Aug 15, 2016 13:09:41 GMT
I was planning on sending them an e-mail back in May, but the only missing story that they may have is Marco Polo which isn't confirmed if they even bought or aired and on the tv station website its not in English so I gave up on them. View AttachmentWithout wishing to dampen your clear enthusiasm, this is not an amateur pursuit. The search for lost Doctor Who has been on-going since the 1980's - just about everywhere has been searched. Ringing and emailing TVs stations is a waste of time and could set back the searches of professional hunters such as Phillip Morris. You may be better placed looking out for leads through private collectors - which is possibly where any remaining copies might be found. Some time ago someone mentioned the statistics of this and wasn't it true that most of the recoveries were NOT the prints that had gone out to stations around the world? Or if so, then they were not found there? So the idea that Marco Polo might certainly be found because it was shown in so many places is not as logical as it sounds. If someone can recall the exact thing please link/post.
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Post by Richard Develyn on Aug 15, 2016 13:15:22 GMT
I was planning on sending them an e-mail back in May, but the only missing story that they may have is Marco Polo which isn't confirmed if they even bought or aired and on the tv station website its not in English so I gave up on them. View AttachmentWithout wishing to dampen your clear enthusiasm, this is not an amateur pursuit. The search for lost Doctor Who has been on-going since the 1980's - just about everywhere has been searched. Ringing and emailing TVs stations is a waste of time and could set back the searches of professional hunters such as Phillip Morris. I broadly speaking agree, unless you have something like a personal contact which you can use. Personal contacts will go much further than an anonymous phone call. Richard
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Post by Stephen Byers on Aug 15, 2016 17:54:27 GMT
I would highly suggest Hong Kong as I have been doing some research and Hong Kong has come up multiple times Yeah also know that Hong Kong may have something may even some Missing Episodes, but when the TV Station closed down in the 80's and they have no E-mail, Facebook, Google+ or Twitter, then how the hell am I supposed to contact them? You can't contact a closed station directly. But the staff may have moved on to maybe another station in Hong Kong. This is more than likely being that Hong Kong residents would not likely emigrate to the P.R.of China!! You need to Google a list of stations in Hong Kong and assess how large the problem of contacting them is. Some would be state sponsored, but others would be commercial. Also the German guy running the BFBS archive site might also be able to advise. I'm sure there was a BFBS station in HKG. And its always possible that someone on an OTR forum might know what the situation is in HKG.
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Post by Greg H on Aug 15, 2016 22:32:41 GMT
Please can we remain 'on topic.' Discussions re: safety as a tourist in these less than savoury countries really belongs on the TripAdvisor forums. Take care. Would you like to clarify why you regard these countries as 'less than savoury'? Sounds like a bit of an off topic personal prejudice there if I am not mistaken.
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Post by Stephen Byers on Aug 16, 2016 6:48:35 GMT
Off topic.
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Post by RWels on Aug 16, 2016 7:58:30 GMT
All has probably now been said about them, although I think it's not entirely off topic if it is a country where one could search for episodes. I can't find it now but a few years ago there was a very short news message about footage being seized in Iran that was being smuggled out, and some said was about missing Who.
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