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Post by Richard Tipple on Jun 20, 2016 16:42:37 GMT
I don't think people will assume anything, that's just how much dupes are selling for, look at The Centre, Web of Fear 1, Evil 2.. All sold recently-ish on eBay for between £500-£750. Are you telling me every buyer thought they were getting a genuine BBC telerecording? I don't buy that. You might well have been aware when you bought The Centre but I, like you, can't speak for the others. However, given the number of people who seem to be unaware that copies were made in the 1980s whenever a print shows up on eBay and this subject is talked about, I'd say that there's plenty of potential customers that would be none the wiser on the subject. If someone buys it and they're happy with their purchase regardless of it's provenience then that's fine, but I'd also guess that if you had two telerecordings up for sale at the same time, one confirmed as being a 1960s BBC Enterprises original and the other being a 1980s third-party copy then the price reached would be somewhat different. Plenty of people wouldn't be aware, but plenty now are. Hence why I mentioned Reddit - I was surprised at quite how many users knew about 80's dupes. As ever, it's a case of buyer beware - but this print will probably sell for between £500-£750, as that's what dupes have sold for recently on eBay. As for the two telerecordings for sale at the same time, I'm glad you agree with me. As per my example of the 'Land of Fear' print. That was clearly not a dupe, and therefore the purchase price was significantly higher than the dupes I listed previously.
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Post by Richard Bignell on Jun 20, 2016 18:51:14 GMT
As for the two telerecordings for sale at the same time, I'm glad you agree with me. As per my example of the 'Land of Fear' print. That was clearly not a dupe, and therefore the purchase price was significantly higher than the dupes I listed previously. I don't think you can take that as me agreeing with you. There wasn't really anything in the original eBay sale of 'A Land of Fear' to indicate that it it was an original telerecording as opposed to a dupe and opinion was split as to whether it was actually an original or not. That said, there wasn't anything on the description of the sale of the original print of 'A Battle of Wits' that sold two years after 'A Land of Fear' that achieved a final price of £667 - just over 41% of the £1600 that 'A Land of Fear' went for.
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Post by Richard Tipple on Jun 20, 2016 19:50:39 GMT
As for the two telerecordings for sale at the same time, I'm glad you agree with me. As per my example of the 'Land of Fear' print. That was clearly not a dupe, and therefore the purchase price was significantly higher than the dupes I listed previously. I don't think you can take that as me agreeing with you. There wasn't really anything in the original eBay sale of 'A Land of Fear' to indicate that it it was an original telerecording as opposed to a dupe and opinion was split as to whether it was actually an original or not. I said an original telerecording (Land of Fear as an example) will sell for more than an 80's dupe. You replied, "I'd also guess that if you had two telerecordings up for sale at the same time, one confirmed as being a 1960s BBC Enterprises original and the other being a 1980s third-party copy then the price reached would be somewhat different." I'd say that is agreeing with me.. As I've said numerous times, on eBay, £500-£750 seems to be the market rate for dupes - I imagine this will go for similar.
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Post by Richard Tipple on Jun 24, 2016 22:40:07 GMT
And SOLD for an eye watering £870.
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Post by tom rogers on Jun 24, 2016 23:35:47 GMT
Wow. That is a lot of cabbage! Almost $1300.00 USD. As Groucho might say, after taxes that's about a dollar-forty!
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Post by brianfretwell on Jun 26, 2016 10:23:08 GMT
I saw 2 episodes on 16mm (dupes) at a film fair in Winchester in 1990/91 they were priced at £60 each. What is that adjusted for inflation?
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Post by Richard Bignell on Jun 26, 2016 12:01:12 GMT
According to the Bank of England inflation calculator, £60 would equate to around £116 in 2015 (the last full year of inflation information).
I recall being offered a telerecording of The Waking Ally around that time for £90, if memory serves.
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Post by John Green on Jun 26, 2016 14:16:48 GMT
In times of crisis-who knows?-they may be a better hedge than Krugerrands!
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Post by Steven Sigel on Jun 28, 2016 17:30:07 GMT
Just to clarify a few things:
1) I was not convinced that the "Land of Fear" print was an original based on the edge printing -- I would have to see the actual print to know for sure 2) The print of "The Battle of Wits" was absolutely NOT an original -- wasn't an illegal dupe -but rather was one that Ian Levine had bought from the BBC (so legitimately duped by the BBC itself - I can't remember if it was a) a spare print they had made from the Nigerian print he found, or b) if they already had a print and he bought a copy before he got the Nigerian print -- this was definitely true for part (1) which was badly edited). I know this because it was a print that I had sold a number of years back, and it still had my handwriting on the leader.
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