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Post by Pete Morris on Jun 15, 2016 22:42:59 GMT
For anyone interested, there is a copy of The Waking Ally for sale on eBay. Not a missing episode, unfortunately. If it was, I wouldn't be announcing it here. |
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Post by Jim Exley on Jun 18, 2016 10:34:26 GMT
I note the edge indicates it's on ORWO stock, but no emulsion type shown. Did the BBC use this brand of film?
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Post by Will Weller on Jun 18, 2016 20:23:59 GMT
Always nice to see 1960s Doctor Who on eBay, especially with the Daleks! I wonder how much it will sell for?
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Post by Richard Bignell on Jun 18, 2016 21:32:55 GMT
Given that this is in likelihood one of the illegal 1980s dupes and not a genuine BBC telerecording of the time, probably far more than its actually worth.
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Post by Steven Sigel on Jun 18, 2016 22:38:18 GMT
The stock is definitely late 80s or 90s -- and I've seen other prints of that episode come up (it was one of the prints that was duped).
So, Richard is correct.
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Post by Richard Marple on Jun 19, 2016 9:24:53 GMT
I remember seeing on a Star Wars collectables site a feature on faked publicity pictures.
A giveaway is the photographic paper they are printed on, often being stock that wasn't around in the 1970s - 80s.
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Post by Richard Tipple on Jun 19, 2016 20:38:15 GMT
Given that this is in likelihood one of the illegal 1980s dupes and not a genuine BBC telerecording of the time, probably far more than its actually worth. The stock is definitely late 80s or 90s -- and I've seen other prints of that episode come up (it was one of the prints that was duped). So, Richard is correct. Surely, it's worth whatever people are willing to pay for it? Dupe or no dupe, these prints are very collectable now. |
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Post by Richard Tipple on Jun 19, 2016 21:07:52 GMT
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Post by Richard Bignell on Jun 19, 2016 21:45:20 GMT
Given that this is in likelihood one of the illegal 1980s dupes and not a genuine BBC telerecording of the time, probably far more than its actually worth. The stock is definitely late 80s or 90s -- and I've seen other prints of that episode come up (it was one of the prints that was duped). So, Richard is correct. Surely, it's worth whatever people are willing to pay for it? Dupe or no dupe, these prints are very collectable now. Anything is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. The question is whether people are unknowingly spending out a lot of money for something that they assume is an original BBC telerecording only to find out that it's actually a much later copy. Lots have people have bought props on eBay that they've assumed to be genuine, only to find out once they've spent their money that their expensive item actually wasn't screen-used at all but just a fan copy. You could say that they should be happy with their purchase as the item at least looks like it was screen-used, but I think many of them would argue otherwise. As a copy, it's really not worth a fraction of an original. |
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Post by Richard Tipple on Jun 19, 2016 21:55:40 GMT
Surely, it's worth whatever people are willing to pay for it? Dupe or no dupe, these prints are very collectable now. Anything is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. The question is whether people are unknowingly spending out a lot of money for something that they assume is an original BBC telerecording only to find out that it's actually a much later copy. Lots have people have bought props on eBay that they've assumed to be genuine, only to find out once they've spent their money that their expensive item actually wasn't screen-used at all but just a fan copy. You could say that they should be happy with their purchase as the item at least looks like it was screen-used, but I think many of them would argue otherwise. As a copy, it's really not worth a fraction of an original. Absolutely, but I don't think there's any attempt at deception here - It doesn't claim to be an original BBC telerecording. It'll sell for what the market deems it's worth, |
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Post by Richard Bignell on Jun 19, 2016 22:33:41 GMT
I don't think there's any deception either. That said it'll sell for what the market deems it's worth - but with people assuming that it's a genuine BBC telerecording.
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Post by Steven Sigel on Jun 19, 2016 23:48:42 GMT
Richard T -- I did't say anything about what it might or might not be worth - only that it wasn't an original T/R. -- Although in some of the cases, he borrowed original negatives and made prints - so if this is one of those, then it would be as good as an original...
I recognize the seller's ID - but can't remember who it is..
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Post by Richard Tipple on Jun 20, 2016 7:57:32 GMT
I don't think there's any deception either. That said it'll sell for what the market deems it's worth - but with people assuming that it's a genuine BBC telerecording. Will they? I'm not sure you're giving them enough credit. There was a recent thread on reddit about 16mm Doctor Who and people raised the question of 80's dupes - so it's a much more informed market than you may suspect. And that's from a forum with - I'd wager - a significantly different demographic to this! I don't think people will assume anything, that's just how much dupes are selling for, look at The Centre, Web of Fear 1, Evil 2.. All sold recently-ish on eBay for between £500-£750. Are you telling me every buyer thought they were getting a genuine BBC telerecording? I don't buy that. This is just what the market is settling at - and justifies the significantly raised price of the Land of Fear print. |
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Post by Richard Tipple on Jun 20, 2016 8:26:20 GMT
Richard T -- I did't say anything about what it might or might not be worth - only that it wasn't an original T/R. -- Although in some of the cases, he borrowed original negatives and made prints - so if this is one of those, then it would be as good as an original... I recognize the seller's ID - but can't remember who it is.. I believe it's the same guy that sold The Center a few years ago, |
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Post by Richard Bignell on Jun 20, 2016 10:27:53 GMT
I don't think people will assume anything, that's just how much dupes are selling for, look at The Centre, Web of Fear 1, Evil 2.. All sold recently-ish on eBay for between £500-£750. Are you telling me every buyer thought they were getting a genuine BBC telerecording? I don't buy that. might well have been aware when you bought The Centre but I, like you, can't speak for the others. However, given the number of people who seem to be unaware that copies were made in the 1980s whenever a print shows up on eBay and this subject is talked about, I'd say that there's plenty of potential customers that would be none the wiser on the subject. If someone buys it and they're happy with their purchase regardless of it's provenience then that's fine, but I'd also guess that if you had two telerecordings up for sale at the same time, one confirmed as being a 1960s BBC Enterprises original and the other being a 1980s third-party copy then the price reached would be somewhat different. |
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