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Post by Tony Ingram on Feb 28, 2015 19:25:48 GMT
Dr who fans are fickle. I remember a couple years ago reading posts of people believing the omni rumor saying they would not buy an animated dvd thinking this was a great plot to get more money from them. Now they are complaining it still hasn't come out. I prefer recons to animation. I just want to be able to have the actual unreleased episode in my collection, I don't care whether the others are animated or not.
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Post by stephenwit1 on Feb 28, 2015 22:20:22 GMT
I would still like all of the missing episodes animated. I don't why BBC doesn't have an in-house animated studios to make DCOTOR WHO and other programs.
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Post by shellyharman67 on Mar 1, 2015 6:19:50 GMT
I would still like all of the missing episodes animated. I don't why BBC doesn't have an in-house animated studios to make DCOTOR WHO and other programs. Maybe if they did a scheme where fans donate to the cost of restoration and get a mention in the special feature disc And are part owners of the restoration part, but in name only
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Post by Alan Jeffries on Mar 1, 2015 10:03:46 GMT
And how should they pay? Flogging? For doing their job. Hindsight is a wonderful thing and the policy is now deemed as wrong. But it was the policy of the time. Too costly to repeat and no commercial value. That was then and we cannot judge the policy then against what the policy is today. Put everything in its historical context. And as for UM, well I still maintain that the sales they would make would be tiny and ultimately unprofitable. As I have said before, while fans may buy it, the general public would not pay for a 1960's, B&W, incomplete serial.
Alan
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Post by shellyharman67 on Mar 1, 2015 10:14:54 GMT
Its done ! That's history now.............Now to think what happens now ! Animation is the only answer IMO
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Post by shellyharman67 on Mar 1, 2015 10:16:02 GMT
And how should they pay? Flogging? For doing their job. Hindsight is a wonderful thing and the policy is now deemed as wrong. But it was the policy of the time. Too costly to repeat and no commercial value. That was then and we cannot judge the policy then against what the policy is today. Put everything in its historical context. And as for UM, well I still maintain that the sales they would make would be tiny and ultimately unprofitable. As I have said before, while fans may buy it, the general public would not pay for a 1960's, B&W, incomplete serial. Alan Tape was around £400 each. Its easy to see why. The future is what we need to think about..............
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Post by richardwoods on Mar 1, 2015 18:29:44 GMT
I have deleted the original post as it was open to misinterpretation and seems to have given the impression that I want the BBC flogged for junking episodes 1 and 4 of the UM. The point I was trying to make was that the fans shouldn't be expected to pay for animation in what would be a commercial release, the company creating, producing and releasing the DVD should pay as they will get whatever financial rewards come from the release.
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Post by Alan Jeffries on Mar 1, 2015 18:52:58 GMT
I accept the point about misinterpretation. But I stand by my point of costs and returns. Any release will have a budget. The bean counters will sit and cogitate, deciding the price point and how many units they need to shift to make a profit. I can not see them going...... 'Well we'll pay for the animation and give it away to the punters at a low cost. If we make a loss...that's life.' Unless there is a substantial recovery, I'm guessing UM will be bundled onto a re-release at some point, or just remain orphaned in the archives. Of course, there could be an announcement when we least expect it........But I'm not going to hold my breath on that one.
Alan
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Post by John Andersen on Mar 1, 2015 20:03:19 GMT
I accept the point about misinterpretation. But I stand by my point of costs and returns. Any release will have a budget. The bean counters will sit and cogitate, deciding the price point and how many units they need to shift to make a profit. I can not see them going...... 'Well we'll pay for the animation and give it away to the punters at a low cost. If we make a loss...that's life.' Unless there is a substantial recovery, I'm guessing UM will be bundled onto a re-release at some point, or just remain orphaned in the archives. Of course, there could be an announcement when we least expect it........But I'm not going to hold my breath on that one. Alan If the BBC had anything else that they could release that hasn't already been viewed or leaked to a significant number of fans, we would have seen it released by now. With episode 2 of The Underwater Menace being leaked onto the Internet already, they don't really have a lot of leverage to make the Doctor Who viewers buy a DVD comprised of one restored episode and telesnap recons of episodes 1 and 4. How many people would pay regular price on a DVD just for one episode when recons are still online? That wouldn't make economic sense. As for an announcement, the only announcement we seem to be getting is that there are no announcements. Don't expect anything. You will only be disappointed.
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Post by richardwoods on Mar 1, 2015 20:05:06 GMT
Thanks for that Alan. Good point, I would be interested to know how successful a release the Moonbase was. In theory it should give a pointer to how a part animated UM would perform. In the case of Moonbase, both the episodes were on Lost In Time together with the audio for the missing episodes, but in it's favour it is a more popular story. In the case of the UM, only one episode has had a commercial release again on Lost in Time, this time without the soundtrack or the rediscovered episode 2. To my mind that would make them roughly equivalent commercially, so if the Moonbase was successful perhaps it would make sense to release UM. On the other hand I fear that the reluctance to release the UM perhaps points to The Moonbase being a commercial flop. Does anyone have any thoughts on this?
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Post by stephenwit1 on Mar 2, 2015 2:00:44 GMT
I liked MOONBASE I thought it was good. I didn't know that it flopped. Maybe this is why UM is taking so long to be released. I think fans would want it out now.
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Post by shellyharman67 on Mar 2, 2015 6:34:44 GMT
I have deleted the original post as it was open to misinterpretation and seems to have given the impression that I want the BBC flogged for junking episodes 1 and 4 of the UM. The point I was trying to make was that the fans shouldn't be expected to pay for animation in what would be a commercial release, the company creating, producing and releasing the DVD should pay as they will get whatever financial rewards come from the release. Agree, but if fans want to do it then why not ? I would...........
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Post by shellyharman67 on Mar 2, 2015 6:37:43 GMT
No point in releasing it if its a recon only ! We all have that most likely anyway. Those i should say that like recons.
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Post by stephenwit1 on Mar 2, 2015 13:41:50 GMT
I'll take whatever is available. Recon or animation.
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Post by richardwoods on Mar 2, 2015 17:52:08 GMT
I liked MOONBASE I thought it was good. I didn't know that it flopped. Maybe this is why UM is taking so long to be released. I think fans would want it out now. I was just speculating that it might have flopped and that could be the reason behind the non appearance of the UM. I hope not too, a) I really enjoyed it and, b) as a completist Troughton fan I would really like the UM on the shelf with animated episodes. Like Shelly for reasons previously discussed I don't think I would buy a DVD of it with recon episodes though.
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