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Post by Mark P on Nov 9, 2014 20:58:10 GMT
This is on BBC4 and BBC4HD tonight (9/11) at 22:50 but the 50 min version not the 80 min version. Wikipedia says "On 6 December 1977, BBC1 broadcast The Day After Tomorrow for a second time in a longer, 80-minute format. In 1997, the BBC deleted the master tape of this format from its archives, although it retains an edited copy for possible future repeat broadcasts" en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Day_After_Tomorrow_(TV_special) |
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Post by John W King on Nov 9, 2014 21:03:57 GMT
Many thanks for the tip off. Just set my Sky HD box to record. By the way the DVD is available by joining Fanderson, the ofvicial Gerry Anderson fan club.
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Post by Mark P on Nov 9, 2014 21:15:38 GMT
Only found it myself just before posting this. My EPG doesn't mention Gerry Anderson at all, only found that when googling to see more details on it.
I assume as it's on BBC4HD it's HD or upscaled.
Surprised the 80 min version was wiped so late in 1997!
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Post by christian bews on Nov 9, 2014 21:31:16 GMT
I don't think there was a 80-minute version of that one-off. it was made 50 minutes long & only 1 version exists,no uncut 80 minutes long. when BBC1 repeated it on 06/12/77 at 7.10pm it was 50 minutes long,the 8pm slot was occupied after that by 'it ain't half hot mum'.
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Post by Mark P on Nov 9, 2014 22:43:06 GMT
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Post by Mark P on Nov 9, 2014 22:47:19 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2014 8:46:43 GMT
Shocking if it was wiped as late as 1997.
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Nov 10, 2014 9:57:18 GMT
Shocking if it was wiped as late as 1997. agree Laurence, totally shocking! |
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Nov 10, 2014 10:45:52 GMT
Shocking if it was wiped as late as 1997. agree Laurence, totally shocking! Why is it shocking? The BBC didn't make it, or own it. It was an old acquired programme. Surely if there was an 80 minute version that was subsequently wiped, the responsibility for it lies at the door of Anderson Entertainment who actually made and own the production. I don't think there ever was an 80 minute version, and the 1977 screening was a 50 minute slot: genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/1977-12-06#at-19.10The Fanderson release was certified in April 1997, plenty of time to track down a longer version before the naughty BBC wiped what people are assuming was THE ONLY COPY of it: www.bbfc.co.uk/releases/day-after-tomorrow-infinity-1970The BBC only ever had one version of this and they still have a digital dub of their tape I believe. Now, surely the original 35mm print must still be about? Perhaps Anderson have it? Or maybe the NBC in the US have it as they screened it first in 1975? If not, perhaps they "shockingly" wiped their version or threw away the 35mm film? But let's not worry about the facts. Let's just blame the BBC. Paul |
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Nov 10, 2014 11:04:15 GMT
agree Laurence, totally shocking! Why is it shocking? The BBC didn't make it, or own it. It was an old acquired programme. Surely if there was an 80 minute version that was subsequently wiped, the responsibility for it lies at the door of Anderson Entertainment who actually made and own the production. I don't think there ever was an 80 minute version, and the 1977 screening was a 50 minute slot: genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/1977-12-06#at-19.10The Fanderson release was certified in April 1997, plenty of time to track down a longer version before the naughty BBC wiped what people are assuming was THE ONLY COPY of it: www.bbfc.co.uk/releases/day-after-tomorrow-infinity-1970The BBC only ever had one version of this and they still have a digital dub of their tape I believe. Now, surely the original 35mm print must still be about? Perhaps Anderson have it? Or maybe the NBC in the US have it as they screened it first in 1975? If not, perhaps they "shockingly" wiped their version or threw away the 35mm film? But let's not worry about the facts. Let's just blame the BBC. Paul I was not blaming the BBC for this. If it was an independent production - and it obviously was, as you've pointed out - then that completely absolves the BBC here. The point I was making was that it shouldn't have been wiped, if it has been. If some of us here have been misinformed via internet sources, that's unfortunate. So, hopefully the full version can be tracked down, then? |
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Post by Patrick Coles on Nov 10, 2014 11:20:45 GMT
I can remember watching this years ago - I assumed a new TV series was to follow but it was just a 'one off' pilot show
I spotted the Ultra probe ship interior & exterior space craft (maybe 'tweaked' a bit ?) model from the memorable 'Space:1999' episode; 'Dragon's Domain'
Nick Tate of course we knew, Brian Blessed too (not Too OTT for once here) & the ladies were fine - but as for that that 'schmuccy kid' !!!!
did he grow up to be a news presenter or something as I'm sure I've seen a big version of that face on TV later....
it was essentially the initial premise of 'Lost in Space' meets 'Space:1999' with Ed Bishop added as narrator for good measure
The psychedelic spacey effects tho' dated now looked good but the biggest problem for me was the total lack of any sense of excitement or danger or real chemistry among the featured cast - they might just as well have been attending a business training course !
plus some typically iffy scripting - with gem lines such as:
'They say you can survive going through a black hole...'
(er just who are 'they' and HOW would 'they' know ? - LOL)
it was all very seventies 'white collar' space sci fi when most aliens encountered were smug, snooty & superior, or had umpteen tentacles and were angry, spectacular fiery explosions were the norm in the vaccum of space...time warps were around every interstellar corner, and some mega sexy ladies wore the tightest outfits !!!! (swoon)
all in all complete utter drivel...but GOD how I miss those great Gerry Anderson space shows !!!
before it all got so 'blue collar' (Alien etc) dumbed down (Star Wars) and so awfully awfully 'correct' and polite (Star Trek:TNG)
For me after UFO, Space:1999 (first season mostly) & one off TV movie efforts like this somehow space based sci fi rather lost it's "colour" and became so very predictable and mundane...
Good to see it on our screens again...(despite that kid !)
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Post by George D on Nov 10, 2014 13:02:36 GMT
I agree that blame should not be given... especially since we are unsure of the facts.
Also Im not a believer in blaming but fixing situations.
There is a lot here we still dont know. For example, was there really an 80 minute version? Could it have been supplementary material made by the BBC? could it be an error in a listing?
Hopefully as questions are asked, this area will be researched more thoroughly.
Many may have different opinions on what should be saved and what shouldnt be saved. Some feel everythign should be saved. Others feel its ok for some things to be destroyed. And while different opinions may arise, to me, the ideal situation is if the BBC made something they should keep a copy in *some form* (even if its a youtube quality version) and if it's not made by them, they should double check to make sure its not the only copy in existance before destruction.
Its very likely there was only the 50 min version however it would be great to confirm this and if a mistake was made, then mayve look into ways to prevent it from happening again.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2014 13:34:22 GMT
I was not blaming the BBC for this. The point I was making was that it shouldn't have been wiped, if it has been. Exactly, Ray - as I commented myself. The BBC were not mentioned anywhere in the "who is responsible" department.  People do not read what's written. |
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Nov 11, 2014 0:06:58 GMT
The Fanderson article clearly states that the uncut version was wiped by the BBC in 1997 (the quoted Wikipedia entry states the same), so I assumed you were all shocked by that. This production was made on film. If it was ever junked, it could only have been thrown away by the original production company and I think it highly unlikely that it was destroyed as late as 1997, just when Fanderson were planning their release.
I think it far more likely that the 35mm elements were in fact destroyed by Anderson quite some time ago when it was clear it was a dead duck as far as a series goes, although quite why anyone would think it a good idea to chuck it away is beyond me. It wouldn't surprise me at all if we were to learn that the only surviving copy is in fact the BBC's transfer from 1976, and copied back to Anderson for their archives, although it would be interesting to see if the Anderson Entertainment version is intact. We don't actually know if Anderson have destroyed the film. It may be sitting perfectly happily in their archive.
Regardless, let's be clear, I don't want this forum to descend into a rumour and speculation den, particularly when in other places rumour seems to pass as fact. There never was an 80 minute slot on the BBC. There never was an 80 minute version as far as I know. I've never seen it referenced anywhere else, only in that one link for which there is no provenance for the detail.
So, let us not be so forthright about being shocked about something that never happened, or for which the facts tell a different story. Leave that to the Daily Mail.
Paul
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Post by Mark P on Nov 11, 2014 0:25:03 GMT
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