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Post by williammcgregor on Nov 3, 2014 20:30:38 GMT
I checked it out, it's not bad Rob
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Post by Gary Robinson on Nov 3, 2014 20:39:06 GMT
The Killing Joke mistake was awful who are these people getting paid to make blunders like that.I was surprised that the Damned were not included Shadow of Love,Grimly Fiendish era and The Cramps although I don't know what footage they could have used can only recall them being on the Tube over here.
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Post by Kev Hunter on Nov 3, 2014 21:36:18 GMT
To go back to something mentioned within this thread mooting a "Psychedelia at the BBC" programme, haven't the 60s (or what remains of them in the Beeb's archives) been pretty much plundered over the years? Same goes for the 70s too.. most surviving clips are over-familiar now whereas the 1980s are fairly under-represented apart from the usual suspects on TOTP2. We're talking about a musical history that's 30 years old, and as previously mentioned, shows such as Riverside and Oxford Road show could yield some really interesting performances. Friday night's Goth At The BBC gave a tantalising glimpse of a few rarely-seen acts (Sex Gang Children being a prime example) and that's just from one channel. ITV back in the day had a programme called "Whatever You Want" which included live footage of bands such as Southern Death Cult (a good year or two prior to their Whistle Test appearance), the Virgin Prunes, the Birthday Party and others. Now there's food for thought..
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2014 22:04:00 GMT
Does Zabadak count as psychedelia??? no but its B side does. The Sun Goes Down. Check it out. I recall buying an old copy of Zabadak back in 1976 - I'd heard it on the radio and remembered it from 1967 when I was 6. I did indeed flip the single over and checked out the wonder I found there. Fantastic track and the reason why I bought a particular DDDBMT comp CD years later and not just any old hits one.
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Post by mattchurchett on Nov 4, 2014 10:03:39 GMT
The Killing Joke mistake was awful who are these people getting paid to make blunders like that.I was surprised that the Damned were not included Shadow of Love,Grimly Fiendish era and The Cramps although I don't know what footage they could have used can only recall them being on the Tube over here. The Cramps did 3 songs on The Tube in March 1986, then 2 songs on The Late Show in Feb 1990. I've got both sets on video, I think that's their only UK TV appearances but I could be wrong.
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Post by Ian Fryer on Nov 4, 2014 14:15:43 GMT
I very much enjoyed Goth at the BBC. I guess the point of including Shakespeare's Sister and Strawberry Switchblade were to show how much Goth was absorbed into the culture, especially in a fashion sense.
It was certainly a refreshing contrast to the repeat of the TOTP 2 Haloween Spacial, ruined by Steve Wright's sneering commentary, especially during the Bauhaus clip. I had never seen before The Witch by The Rattles. Was that a Top of the Pops clip, or from something like Beat Club? Whichever, it's a fantastic song!
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Post by Kev Hunter on Nov 4, 2014 14:37:36 GMT
It was certainly a refreshing contrast to the repeat of the TOTP 2 Haloween Spacial, ruined by Steve Wright's sneering commentary, especially during the Bauhaus clip. I had never seen before The Witch by The Rattles. Was that a Top of the Pops clip, or from something like Beat Club? Whichever, it's a fantastic song! I'm pretty sure that the Rattles clip was from TOTP (possibly 15 Oct 70) - can anyone confirm?
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Post by Neil Megson on Nov 4, 2014 15:12:22 GMT
I very much enjoyed Goth at the BBC. I guess the point of including Shakespeare's Sister and Strawberry Switchblade were to show how much Goth was absorbed into the culture, especially in a fashion sense. Rose McDowall of Strawberry Switchblade later went on to work with Coil, Current 93, Death In June, Psychic TV, Boyd Rice and Nurse With Wound - that's a very dark and gothic line-up !
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Post by Liam Joseph on Nov 4, 2014 15:39:16 GMT
It was certainly a refreshing contrast to the repeat of the TOTP 2 Haloween Spacial, ruined by Steve Wright's sneering commentary, especially during the Bauhaus clip. I had never seen before The Witch by The Rattles. Was that a Top of the Pops clip, or from something like Beat Club? Whichever, it's a fantastic song! I'm pretty sure that the Rattles clip was from TOTP (possibly 15 Oct 70) - can anyone confirm? The Popscene site says The Rattles appeared on 15/10/70 and links to the video of the TOTP performance. It also mentions a previous appearance that was (of course) wiped on 13/8/70 - quite a big gap! I couldn't agree more about the irritating qualities of Steve Wright, Ian, and am glad they got Mark Radcliffe to replace him on TOTP2.
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Post by Chris Barratt on Nov 5, 2014 7:22:22 GMT
I thought some of the selections could have been better - why 'The Walk' by The Cure when that Blue Monday-esque track is the least 'Goth' thing they ever did? Why nothing from the (original) Sisters Of Mercy live on Whistle Test in 1985? Why no Damned? Furthermore, I don't know if BBC4 have been ordered to make these compilations now sans links & continuity to save on future edits in case their News Dept decide to hang any more former hosts from the nations lampposts but it makes for very poor editing indeed. The presentation of Goth At The BBC was little better than an 80's teenager's home-made compilation video (of which I'm sure there were many of this ilk) Some of the tracks used from TOTP had intros from the likes of John Peel & Janice Long - without any of them the effect was often jarring. Very disappointing considering how good the recent Kare Bush edition was.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2014 8:57:36 GMT
I'm pretty sure that the Rattles clip was from TOTP (possibly 15 Oct 70) - can anyone confirm? The Popscene site says The Rattles appeared on 15/10/70 and links to the video of the TOTP performance. It also mentions a previous appearance that was (of course) wiped on 13/8/70 - quite a big gap! Yes, The Rattles clip is from the existing (minus DJ sound) TOTP edition for 15/10/70.
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Post by Gary Robinson on Nov 5, 2014 17:33:27 GMT
I can remember buying Lets Go to Bed and The Walk by The Cure on 12"singles when they were first released and thought how awful they sounded at the time,I think they turned towards Goth with the All Cats are Grey album which I still like but most of it was downhill after this for me.
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Post by Kev Hunter on Nov 5, 2014 18:39:42 GMT
I'd have thought the Cure's 1980 single "A Forest" would be better qualified for inclusion, with its dark imagery.. and I'm fairly certain they made their debut TOTP appearance to promote it. And Chris, I agree with you, especially about Sisters of Mercy.. "Marian" (Whistle Test, 1985) is goth and then some: www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcdxnQLKAYo(Gary - I think you're referring to the Faith album, which contained "All Cats Are Grey".)
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Post by Gary Robinson on Nov 5, 2014 21:08:52 GMT
Kev you are correct it is the Faith album I meant it must be about 30 years since I last heard it!,you are also correct that A Forest was their debut TOTP appearance still a fine track, this is bringing all my youth back remember buying the first album with the postcards in after hearing them on John Peel and seeing them live loads around this era!( They were not Goth at this stage)
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Post by Kev Hunter on Nov 5, 2014 22:28:18 GMT
Furthermore, I don't know if BBC4 have been ordered to make these compilations now sans links & continuity to save on future edits in case their News Dept decide to hang any more former hosts from the nations lampposts but it makes for very poor editing indeed. Given Andy Kershaw's conviction and the Beeb's twitchiness about that kind of thing, it's a wonder his intro to the Cult clip made the final edit of the BBC4 show!
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