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Post by simonashby on Oct 17, 2018 12:42:37 GMT
I'd also like to point out the obvious: The age of the label can be determined by the BBC logo - this label dates from the 1970s. If we are to assume that label stocks lasted a while, the BBC has been through 3 more corporate logo revisions since that logo. In other words, this can't be something that Phil has found. To my eye, that looks a lot more like the first slanted logo, which was used from 1963 to 1971. Are you saying it's the rounded off logo used from 1971-1992? Look at the lettering, that looks to me like BBC is in a clear empty box. And the edges are very hard. The rounded off logo, is not only more rounded as the same suggests, but BBC is in a filled in box. No, I meant the boxy logo. I wasn't going into too much detail as I don't think there's anything here anyway. On second glance at the photo, it says faintly at the bottom 'Please return to TV and Film Library Windmill Rd'. That is where the archive used to be before moving to Perivale in 2011. So that print was from the BBC archives. You can tell from the ageing on the labels that they're quite old too. Nothing to see here.
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Post by simonashby on Oct 15, 2018 12:01:58 GMT
The Aztecs exists on telerecording negatives which are the best available source possible, so any prints turned up are not going to be of any use - they are at least 1 generation down. The SE DVD looks much better as there is an 11 year gap between restorations. Not strictly true. I believe the first few minutes of episode one are from a lower generation copy as the telerecording is damaged? Also, didn't the "Next Episode" caption have to be removed from "The Day of Darkness"? And there's a slight cut during the scene of Ian in the flooded tunnel beneath the Tomb of Yetaxa, again possibly due to film damage. Correct, however I glossed over that as another print still doesn't assist the situation.
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Post by simonashby on Oct 14, 2018 21:01:08 GMT
This is interesting, especially as it's episode 1. When The Aztecs SE DVD came out in 2013 I was surprised how good the first episode looked as on the first DVD release there is a really bad stratch on the picture for the first 5 minutes or so. This was before I knew anything about the search or any of the rumours about ME's being found, and yet I thought that the BBC might have found a better print somewhere somehow. The Aztecs exists on telerecording negatives which are the best available source possible, so any prints turned up are not going to be of any use - they are at least 1 generation down. The SE DVD looks much better as there is an 11 year gap between restorations.
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Post by simonashby on Oct 13, 2018 9:35:56 GMT
The One Show is the obvious candidate, and they have featured every single Doctor Who find since the show started. Not sure if it's prime time material to be honest. As for "why not?": this down to the people in the BBC at the time. Ultimately commissioning comes down to an individual's judgement, and if it's not on their radar (either because they don't really know, or indeed care enough) then it won't happen. A lot of the time things happen (or don't happen) for mundane reasons. Prime time slots need to be scrutinised, and what matters to us won't matter to a lot of people. You never know though - Phil's recent feature on the One Show may spark a producers' imagination. Not that long ago there was a documentary about missing episodes on Radio 4. I believe that the BBC Treasure Hunt campaign in the mid 2000's turned up quite a few things non-Doctor Who. There are ways in which something could be produced that might not seem so bland and dry. Let's be clear: you'll never achieve 100% awareness, and certainly not 100% action. That's just not a realistic goal. More awareness and more action is of course very welcome however. I think Ed's door-to-door knocking was a far better suggestion Nah, the blimp hire was better.
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Post by simonashby on Oct 12, 2018 9:01:36 GMT
I'd also like to point out the obvious: The age of the label can be determined by the BBC logo - this label dates from the 1970s. If we are to assume that label stocks lasted a while, the BBC has been through 3 more corporate logo revisions since that logo. In other words, this can't be something that Phil has found. If it had been sold overseas in the 70s, it might have had that old logo, but I assume the label would be headed "BBC Enterprises" instead? Yes exactly, if it were sold it would have been from Enterprises. The film library and Enterprises were completely different parts of the BBC.
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Post by simonashby on Oct 11, 2018 22:29:37 GMT
I'd also like to point out the obvious: The age of the label can be determined by the BBC logo - this label dates from the 1970s. If we are to assume that label stocks lasted a while, the BBC has been through 3 more corporate logo revisions since that logo.
In other words, this can't be something that Phil has found.
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Post by simonashby on Oct 10, 2018 19:34:11 GMT
Meaby they are the last 9 prints to find, the other 97 are lost forever.... Goodbye eotd you exist in my dreams. We know the number is at least as low as 95 or 94. Paul V confirmed that he knew of at least a couple in private collections, and seemed fairly confident that we will see them one day. The status of Web 3 is of course still unknown.
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Post by simonashby on Oct 8, 2018 14:21:53 GMT
However you're then confusing this with the fact that 1 copy of TP4 isn't officially accounted for. I think Twice Upon a Time is as good an 'official accounted for' as anything so far. Definitely a case of watch this space. Also it still makes sense that if 1 isolated Basil Brush episode can be found, so can 1 isolated TP 4. My point from the start innit. That's cleared that up then - you're trolling.
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Post by simonashby on Oct 8, 2018 12:59:09 GMT
But PM clearly stated the only one copy - he is far more qualified to know this from his extensive searching. Hence, why I see hope for TP 4. In his DWM interview in 2013 he said he thought IT was out there. Not two copies. What on earth are you talking about? If PM has 1 copy of Basil Brush, then there is 1 copy - he found it, so we know it exists. That's simple. However you're then confusing this with the fact that 1 copy of TP4 isn't officially accounted for. That doesn't mean it actually exists, nor does it mean that it has the same odds of surviving. Those two things are not the same.
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Post by simonashby on Oct 8, 2018 11:01:19 GMT
Correct me if I'm wrong, but nobody was searching for that particular episode of Basil Brush were they? And there's plenty of them missing. The comparison with TP4 is inapt. Statistics, as far as they go, do suggest that there's a lot of missing non-Who out there, but this has no bearing on the chance of find more Who. There's plenty of missing Basil Brushes out there but PM said this was the one and only copy he found. The same can be applied to Doctor Who, except of course Marco Polo, of which several copies were made. Sue is correct. You are trying to make 2 different scenarios the same thing. There's plenty of missing Basil Brushes out there but PM said this was the one and only copy he found. How do you know there are plenty out there? The fact that PM has only found one suggests otherwise. You've just contradicted yourself. Not that it matters are you're talking nonsense anyway. The same can be applied to Doctor Who, except of course Marco Polo, of which several copies were made. Yet none of them have so far turned up... just because a lot of copies were made initially has no baring on how many are out there now.
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Post by simonashby on Oct 7, 2018 18:18:52 GMT
PM said on The One Show that the Basil Brush film is the only one existing copy. As far as I am aware there is one copy of TP 4 and POD 1 possibly still out there. So the odds of coming across them are about the same as finding Basil Brush somewhere in Sierra Leone. If an episode is missing and then you find 1 copy, then that is the only existing copy. That proves nothing else. You're trying to suggest that gives TP4 and POD1 the same odds just because the paper trail is inconclusive of the whereabouts of 1 print of each. You're talking about 2 different things and trying to make one equal another. Furthermore, a bigger problem for your 'logic' here is that is isn't simply a numbers game. There are no hard rules. You seem to be trying to make them up all the time and it's getting silly now. None of what you're trying to formulate makes any sense.
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Post by simonashby on Oct 7, 2018 16:51:29 GMT
No idea what non-Who material or how much is to come at BFI MBW event but I get the feeling it's going to be mega proportions. And I think it will cause people to wonder, if he's found this much non-Who then... Doctor Who is a drop in the ocean. It's gets a disproportionate amount of attention by a very, very, very long way. Also PM has the ability and contacts to find extremely rare material, as The One Show testified. Logically, if he can find the only one-off copy of Basil Brush and The Kinks then it stands to reason he can find TP 4 or POTD 1. It does not stand to reason. There is once again no logic behind what you are saying.
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Post by simonashby on Oct 7, 2018 9:53:08 GMT
The thing is, if I constantly make claims about missing episodes, sooner or later by the laws of average, I am probably going to be right, then I get to act smug and claim some credibility. Some people might say 'even a stopped clock is right twice a day' but not me. Nailed it.
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Post by simonashby on Oct 6, 2018 18:20:20 GMT
That can is the existing copy from the BBC film library. Even says so on the label.
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Post by simonashby on Oct 6, 2018 18:19:24 GMT
Yes, this is the reason for optimism now. As we were often reminded, nothing would be revealed until the search was complete (the Enemy, Web and Sky at Night reveals were exceptions to this). However, something has now been revealed. This would suggest that the search is complete (maybe). Therefore, we might have optimism that more recovered episodes can now be revealed. Furthermore, Phil Morris was recently quoted as saying that people who are say that the number of missing episodes of Doctor Who will remain at 97 are talking nonsense. Therefore, we might also have optimism that more recovered episodes of Doctor Who can now be revealed. Amen to this. It seems like there are about 2 or 3 of us left who have not lost the faith. It's not about losing faith, it's about no wanting to talk inane drivel and reading things into absolutely nothing at all.
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