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Post by Paul Vanezis on Mar 9, 2014 18:55:10 GMT
Hi all, I've finally had time to photograph and upload some stills of unrecoverable 'Morecambe and Wise Show' that Philip Morris returned to the BBC. As I've already mentioned, this print was in a terrible condition and it was hoped that immediate intervention may produce some results. The film was firstly delivered by myself to the BBC Archive at Perivale where it was examined by several experts, all of whom said it was too far gone to recover. It was then sent to Berkhamsted at the BFI's request, where they too declared it too far gone. Finally, I collected it with a view to trying something more drastic, but even I had to admit defeat. Pics are at this link. Please note as with all my images, all rights are reserved. You may link but you may not upload or embed to your own sites. Any site owner that wants to do so, please contact me privately. www.flickr.com/photos/25173343@N06/sets/72157642109381293/Paul
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Post by Greg H on Mar 9, 2014 19:06:24 GMT
Thanks for taking the time to share.
That is one sad sight :/ I wonder if it was a particularly good episode?
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Post by RWels on Mar 9, 2014 20:28:15 GMT
I wonder if it was a particularly good episode? Not sure if a direct link is appropriate, but its audio is on youtube.
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Post by Rich Cornock on Mar 9, 2014 20:41:24 GMT
Thanks for sharing these pictures Paul, fascinating to see and really heart breaking. Just wondering if you could answer a couple of questions? Do you think the films demise was caused partly by its can being broken or do you think the film would have degraded like this even if the can was intact? Also what happens to this film now, will it be stored somewhere in the hope that new technology may some day be able to restore it or will it eventually be binned?
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Post by Rob Moss on Mar 9, 2014 21:20:44 GMT
Sobering stuff, Paul. Are you able to tell us where this film was found..?
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Post by mattplace on Mar 9, 2014 22:12:09 GMT
Every time i see the "fury" can, i think... so close....Imagine the excitement when the finder/whoever he gave it to.. read those episode titles
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Post by John Green on Mar 9, 2014 22:12:18 GMT
If only it had been a metal film can...
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Post by Robert Lia on Mar 9, 2014 23:06:40 GMT
If it was found in the desert even with a metal can the heat would have eventually fused the film together. What a shame
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Post by Steven Sigel on Mar 9, 2014 23:31:05 GMT
If only it had been a metal film can... Metal cans are much worse ... the metal helps catalyze the reaction and makes prints go vinegar even faster. I never store any of my prints in metal cans. Never.
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Post by John Green on Mar 10, 2014 0:04:15 GMT
If only it had been a metal film can... Metal cans are much worse ... the metal helps catalyze the reaction and makes prints go vinegar even faster. I never store any of my prints in metal cans. Never. Good point,but it was just the way that it looked as though an elephant had trodden on it...If it hadn't been smashed,perhaps someone would have taken more care of it.
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Post by Paul Hayes on Mar 10, 2014 0:10:44 GMT
A sad and yet (for a layman such as myself) fascinating insight into just what can happen to these films.
Thank you for sharing these photos, Paul.
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Post by Jon Preddle on Mar 10, 2014 1:08:53 GMT
Is the damage to the film a direct result of the crack in the can lid?
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Post by Matthew Pereira on Mar 10, 2014 11:53:20 GMT
Very sad to see and hard to see if any future chemical process would be able to at least unwind the film and scan frames individually.
Maybe let team 'B' have a crack at it <joke>
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Post by Steven Sigel on Mar 10, 2014 14:57:34 GMT
Is the damage to the film a direct result of the crack in the can lid? No - not related.
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Post by Alex Dering on Mar 10, 2014 17:24:04 GMT
Can anyone answer: By how much was it lost? That is, if it had been found a year ago would it have been salvageable. Five years? A decade?
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