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Post by John W King on Oct 29, 2013 16:12:39 GMT
Having watched this forum with increased excitement in the lead up to the big announcement and since then I was in turns amused, saddened, elated but mainly mortied by the frenzy. It bought out the best of fans and the worst. I can now understand why if some one did have missing episodes in their possession they would want to keep them to themselves. The amount of threats, bullying and downright nastiness was totally unforgiveable to other members of the forum. Trying to use Freedom of Information! I have had to produce FOI reports. They are extremely time consuming to any organisation and ore impotantly - extremely expensive! And just to find out IF any missing episodes have been found. Shame on you. Despicable actions. Like many members I am optimistic that the Real Truth is that more episodes have been found. In fact I do hope we have to await for another 81 (+ 9 = 90!) That is not based on any fact or rumour but my hopeful;, internal logic. Think, all of you. If the announcement had been for 90 episodes and not 9 that would more or less have been it. The chase would, for many be over. But, as I hope, there are another 81 it would make more commercial sense to release them a bit at a time. Each time we have a build up of excitement as the next (7 ?) episodes are anounced (Marco Polo ?). Another six months - another episode (ep. 4. Tenth Planet!) another 9 months and 6 more episodes - Power of the Daleks.! A rough average of 9 episodes a year could keep the excitement, DVDs etc. going for another 10 years! That is what perceive and hope is the real truth. Another 81 are actually safe but we will only find out in dribs and exciting drabs. Don't forget keeping the search for ANY missing episodes (not just Who) is at the very essence of this forum. But in future, please, please no nastiness or bulling for information. Just be patient and all will (as with the latest anouncement) revealed.
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Post by Andrew Parker on Oct 29, 2013 16:45:33 GMT
The Truth is out there...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2013 18:47:15 GMT
I Want to Believe...
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Post by Peter Ledwith on Oct 29, 2013 18:50:26 GMT
...but find it hard to.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2013 19:20:08 GMT
Fight the Future...
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Post by Peter Ledwith on Oct 29, 2013 20:30:12 GMT
I understand your reasoning. If more episodes, (or indeed as you hope, a vast number) of missing episodes have been recovered, it makes financial sense not to swamp the market with releases. However, the BBC is a money making machine. Why release web AND enemy together then? Why not release enemy, then after Christmas, announce web. This is a wasted opportunity to draw it all out. I don't think a massive amount of stories like that really could be kept secret. (one could say it hasn't but rumours of something doesn't mean its a fact. If that was the case, the rumours heard on this forum would mean that we would have ALL the episodes years ago....we needs facts) Even if they release the news of the found stories, They don't need to release them all at once anyway. The anticipation would keep the buzz going for ages anyway) we still haven't had underwater menace 2 remember.
I wouldn't be surprised if Marco polo or some orphan episodes have turned up. It is lumped in with web and enemy rumours for a long time. Forum denials need to be looked at through the glasses of the paymasters. Nothing can be said until the BBC paymasters say so. To be honest, I would suspect that it is easier to deny a find than be bombarded with demands from over zealous fans who demand to see any finds NOW! Paul V and the rest of the guys don't deserve the grief they get. Would you rather have known about web in April and have to wait till October for it to be ready for release? Ignorance is bliss. Whatever happens. Its all owned by the BBC and is theirs to do/announce as they see fit. Lets keep some perspective. ITS A TV SHOW. not life and death.
Still...the anticipation is killing me. Will there be further releases or are we wishing to hard for it to be so.
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Post by Simon Collis on Oct 29, 2013 21:53:53 GMT
Paul V and the rest of the guys don't deserve the grief they get. ITS A TV SHOW. not life and death. Two of the greatest truths ever spoken here. And as often as they get said, they're very rarely listened to...
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Post by tom smith on Oct 29, 2013 22:44:48 GMT
Think positive and be patient
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Post by steven g on Oct 30, 2013 0:10:19 GMT
It would be great if Marco polo was being held back for an announcement nearer the anniversary.
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Post by Peter Ledwith on Oct 30, 2013 0:39:57 GMT
Would be great if anything was bieng held back.......
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Post by Richard Develyn on Oct 30, 2013 11:27:36 GMT
Paul V and the rest of the guys don't deserve the grief they get. ITS A TV SHOW. not life and death. Two of the greatest truths ever spoken here. And as often as they get said, they're very rarely listened to... Actually I wish people wouldn't make that second statement. I watch other TV as well, but none of it is as important to me as Doctor Who. I sometimes wonder whether the BBC considers every viewing figure the same as every other viewing figure. I remember the surprise when Doctor Who won best of drama at a voted-for-by-the-public style show when it hadn't been on the air for almost a decade. It even beat the soaps. I expect some people just think we're mad. I'm not mad. I think it's mad to believe that every TV program, film or book provides exactly the same amount of pleasure or significance as every other. Doctor Who, for me, is much more than just a TV show. I have self-psycho-analysed this on numerous occasions and I think I understand why, however without going into details I know for certain that Doctor Who will always occupy a considerably important part in my life. There is no other media produced product which compares with it even remotely. I am quite passionate about it. Richard
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Post by Peter Ledwith on Oct 30, 2013 13:30:31 GMT
There is nothing wrong with enjoying a tv show. I have a vast collection of dvds, books and other memerobelia. But if a freak fire managed to destroy every episode of drvwho I owned, my life would go on. Millions survive daily with sewage polluted water supplies with no guarantee of the next meal. That is perspective. Go to india and tell me after seeing the abject poverty that a bbc entertainment show is more important. We all love dr who but people are more important. Treating the people who work hard for us to get to see these lost classic tv shows with a little respect isnt too much to ask. (And also each other)
That was my point.
Fish are friends, not food.
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on Oct 30, 2013 13:57:57 GMT
Two of the greatest truths ever spoken here. And as often as they get said, they're very rarely listened to... Actually I wish people wouldn't make that second statement. I watch other TV as well, but none of it is as important to me as Doctor Who. I sometimes wonder whether the BBC considers every viewing figure the same as every other viewing figure. I remember the surprise when Doctor Who won best of drama at a voted-for-by-the-public style show when it hadn't been on the air for almost a decade. It even beat the soaps. I expect some people just think we're mad. I'm not mad. I think it's mad to believe that every TV program, film or book provides exactly the same amount of pleasure or significance as every other. Doctor Who, for me, is much more than just a TV show. I have self-psycho-analysed this on numerous occasions and I think I understand why, however without going into details I know for certain that Doctor Who will always occupy a considerably important part in my life. There is no other media produced product which compares with it even remotely. I am quite passionate about it. Richard I tend to think of it like Pavlov's dog.Having fell in love with it at an early age,every time I see it now in any media,it makes me salivate!It's the recognition of something warm,wonderful and ( mostly ) well made from our childhoods that we've become conditioned to love it,and hence it occupies a large chunk of our lives!But I agree with Richard,I am quite passionate about it as well!
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Post by Alex Dering on Oct 30, 2013 13:59:08 GMT
As it's the Internet, and as it's a lengthy discussion, I'll invoke Hitler (thus fulfilling the meme requirement). Or maybe it's Stalin. Perhaps Davros. Doesn't matter. The point is that there are two kinds of successful lies: ones that are, literally, absolutely ridiculous on their face (because people will reason, "No one would tell such a whopper. It's simply impossible. So what they said MUST be true.") and ones that have a bit of truth mixed in.
I suspect that this is a case of the second kind of lie. As I recall the initial rumor, (sorry, rumour), a lot of rumbling occurred about a whole bunch of missing stories turning up. That was back in September (IIRC). It was too early. I suspect that the BBC decided to do a classic misdirect: confirm two stories, release them, and hope that this would keep everything back down at a simmer until a big, big, super-colossal announcement could be made on the 50th anniversary.
I recall seeing a post somewhere that confirmed that the reason for the return of the Great Intelligence was, basically, as a marketing ploy to drive interest in the recovered Web of Fear story (which means that thing was recovered well over a year ago at least). This leads me to keep chewing over the repeated themes of the season (all the references to eggs, the flickering lights in each episode, the recurring appearance of the number 11, etc.) and wonder if these correspond to recovered episodes.
As we've seen from this latest recovery, the people doing the recovery are not going to be "sweated" for details. They aren't going to break down suddenly, sobbing, "Oh God, it's true, we found everything, even Feast of Steven (in colour). You finally got us to spill the beans."
If there are more stories sitting in the BBC's vaults and servers, we will find out when the BBC's marketing department wants us to. So let's try to be patient and well-mannered. It's less than two months.
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Post by Peter Ledwith on Oct 30, 2013 14:00:19 GMT
It certainly is a damned fine show.
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