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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2013 20:04:59 GMT
I find it unlikely that in 35mm print would be destroyed, unless it was by "accident". AIUI, there was no 35mm print. Only 35mm raw footage and a final edit on VT. So they could re do the movie, but it was never a big hit so I can't see that happening due to cost.
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Post by Richard Marple on Jul 23, 2013 20:47:50 GMT
I've heard of a lot of film masters being lost in a warehouse fire in New Jersey. Not sure when sometime in the 1950s-60s.
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Post by David Huggins on Jul 23, 2013 21:23:10 GMT
I wonder if there's been any update on this - anyone know? Hopefully most of the losses were covered by the backups in the Philadelphia archive mentioned in the article. I do know a LOT of audio stuff was destroyed. It was discussed on an old American forum I was part of and I believe a lot of stuff released on certain vintage labels was completely incinerated but sadly can't remember which labels - I think MCA might had been one of them... whole loads of multitracks and masters that had the misfortune to be stored there. Films wise, barely any details surfaced at all probably sue to severe embarrassment. Los Angeles should be one of the very last places on the planet to be having tape vaults and archives given the city stands on a fault line or two which could result in a ghastly earthquake at any time which would help destroy entire contents in no time at all. Thanks for all the info, Philip. Sad to hear of all that vintage audiovisual material being lost. I wonder how far Universal have got in restoring what they can of this archive? Found some more info on the 2008 fire on Wikipedia: "Destroyed were 40,000 to 50,000 archived digital video and film copies chronicling Universal's movie and TV classic shows, dating back to the 1920s, including the films Knocked Up and Atonement, the NBC series Law & Order, The Office, and Miami Vice, and CBS's I Love Lucy.[14][15][16] Many audio master tapes from Universal Music have been destroyed as well.[17] Universal president Ron Meyer stated that nothing irreplaceable was lost, meaning everything will be rebuilt again, at a price of at least $50 million. Days after the fire, however, it was reported that the King Kong attraction would not be rebuilt and would eventually be replaced by a new attraction that had yet to be announced.[18] In August 2008, Universal changed its position and decided to rebuild the King Kong attraction, basing the new attraction on the 2005 film adaptation." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Studios_Hollywood
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2013 21:46:54 GMT
Found some more info on the 2008 fire on Wikipedia: Universal president Ron Meyer stated that nothing irreplaceable was lost, meaning everything will be rebuilt again, at a price of at least $50 million. Sadly, as ever, wiki isn't accurate. If Meyer did say that then he was talking utter nonsense. A lot of the audio stuff that was destroyed had NOT been backed up digitally - actual masters went up in smoke and with no backups, they're gone forever - outtakes, multitracks and master tapes. A couple of renowned researchers I knew were horrified and stunned that Universal could be so stupid to contain too much material in one place that was liable to go up in smoke. One of the researchers had a project in the works where he was waiting to gain access to some multitrack tapes stored there... the project had to be scrapped in the wake of the fire because he had no tapes available to mix so that was a potential album lost. Since then there has been a concerted effort in shifting as many audio tapes into some place known as Iron Mountain which is earthquake proof and severely protected against fire. The Universal fire brought back painful memories of one that occurred at a tape storage vault in the 1970's which contained all the old Atlantic Records multitracks. That was devastating because Atlantic were the first record company to use 8 track tape back in the 1950's - Bobby Darin, The Drifters, Aretha Franklin, The Coasters, The Rascals, Iron Butterfly... the whole lot went up. The mixed down masters were kept elsewhere and survived but all the session tapes, outtakes, the lot - gone. That's why there's barely been any rarities or outtakes from those artistes. What ones have surfaced happened to had either been stored someplace where they shouldn't had been or were already mixed and mastered also sitting someplace else.
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Post by Richard Marple on Jul 23, 2013 21:58:15 GMT
IIRC Ringo Starr managed to loose a lot of his personal archive in a house fire, including the multi tracks of some of his albums.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2013 22:11:00 GMT
IIRC Ringo Starr managed to loose a lot of his personal archive in a house fire, including the multi tracks of some of his albums. He did... and sadder still it is believed some Beatles TV appearances went up in that fire as well which he apparently had the only copies of.
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Post by David Huggins on Jul 23, 2013 22:22:24 GMT
As an aside to the main topic, I was reminded recently that there is one 35mm frame of the Doctor Who TV movie out there... just before its broadcast the Radio Times ran a competition in which the star prize was a plaque containing 'an actual frame of film from the new production, the signature of executive producer Philip D. Segal and the Doctor Who and Radio Times logos'. Must be quite a nice collector's item now
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Post by Ian Watlington on Aug 1, 2013 7:36:04 GMT
Sorry if I'm about to venture into heresy here -- but if all the takes exists, then rather than meticulously search each one and compare it frame by frame to the TVM as it exists now, and try to re-edit the entire thing back into existence exactly as it is now -- Couldn't you produce a TVM "Director's Cut" and make that the Blu Ray, HD cut of the film only? That would still require the rushes being transferred and logged, all the effects remade, and the music reworked. It might also require renegotiation with the actors because you'd be creating an entirely new version of the film. In other words, it could be even more expensive than rebuilding the original cut of the film in HD, and the cost of doing that is already way, way beyond what would be available for a Blu-ray budget. It's just not going to happen. The costs are far too high and the market for the finished product is nowhere near big enough. Even Paramount were initially unsure if they were going to be able to justify going back to the original 35mm rushes to rebuild Star Trek: TNG in HD, and Trek is hugely more profitable on a global scale than Doctor Who is.
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Post by Logan Jutanberg on Aug 14, 2019 19:39:57 GMT
Bump. Is it possible Mr. Vanezis can comment on the situation?
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Post by Douglas Wulf on Aug 24, 2019 16:54:22 GMT
Recreating a Bluray version from original 35 mm elements would be more economically feasible if Paul McGann were to return to the role of the Eighth Doctor on television somehow.
And I would like to see that happen!
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Post by Richard Marple on Aug 24, 2019 19:52:25 GMT
I heard that Farscape was filmed, but all the post production was done on videotape so making a high definition version difficult to make.
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Post by Logan Jutanberg on Aug 25, 2019 2:34:20 GMT
I wonder if the 35mm materials still even exist.
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Post by rmackenziefehr on Sept 7, 2019 19:21:24 GMT
I've heard of a lot of film masters being lost in a warehouse fire in New Jersey. Not sure when sometime in the 1950s-60s. Late, I admit, but you're probably thinking of a film vault fire in Little Ferry, NJ, in 1937, which destroyed, among other things, the master prints of the vast majority of the pre-1932 releases of Fox.
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Post by Richard Marple on Sept 8, 2019 21:19:49 GMT
I've heard of a lot of film masters being lost in a warehouse fire in New Jersey. Not sure when sometime in the 1950s-60s. Late, I admit, but you're probably thinking of a film vault fire in Little Ferry, NJ, in 1937, which destroyed, among other things, the master prints of the vast majority of the pre-1932 releases of Fox. I think I've heard of the fire you mention, there was a later archive fire where the master reels of Citizen Kane were lost.
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Post by rmackenziefehr on Sept 9, 2019 0:36:49 GMT
Late, I admit, but you're probably thinking of a film vault fire in Little Ferry, NJ, in 1937, which destroyed, among other things, the master prints of the vast majority of the pre-1932 releases of Fox. I think I've heard of the fire you mention, there was a later archive fire where the master reels of Citizen Kane were lost. True, though that one seems a bit hazier- the camera negative appears to have been destroyed in a lab fire sometime in the 1970s, but exactly when is unclear, as I've seen a range of suggested dates during that decade and no clear source for any of them. There's a long line of such fires- MGM had a major one at some point in the mid-1960s, and the Museum of Modern Art, Cinémathèque Française, and George Eastman House have all lost archival materials through fire.
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