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Post by craigrothwell on Jul 17, 2013 15:26:48 GMT
I've just read that the TV movie was shot on 35mm film but a bluray release isn't possible because the 35MM film was junked. In 1997(!).
Is this true? I can't find a definite answer online, just a lot of people repeating it as fact.
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Post by Andrew Parker on Jul 17, 2013 15:45:36 GMT
I've just read that the TV movie was shot on 35mm film but a bluray release isn't possible because the 35MM film was junked. In 1997(!). Is this true? I can't find a definite answer online, just a lot of people repeating it as fact. I read similar postings, the original film has been lost which seems bizarre considering it was 1996.
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Post by craigrothwell on Jul 17, 2013 15:59:05 GMT
Surely this one is a case where some detective work could find it? They can't really have junked it can they?
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Post by Richard Bignell on Jul 17, 2013 17:33:14 GMT
I've never heard anyone say that it has categorically been junked, but no one knows for certain what the situation currently is with the assets. They're probably stored in one of Fox's vaults.
The problem is that there was never a complete 35mm version of the film, so even if the reels still exist, everything would need to be digitised and then every reel checked through shot by shot to try and reassemble the final edit. The effects (which were done on video) would then need to be recreated.
In short, the outlay in doing it would be far greater than the revenue gained.
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Post by grantgoodman on Jul 17, 2013 17:37:24 GMT
Most tv shows threw out the film once they got it on tape especially during the 90s when they were moving towards non linear computer editing systems. They might be able to put it on Blu Ray but it's not going to look that much better without an expensive restoration process (like they did with the Star Trek The Next Generation blu ray).
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Post by Kevin Wilson on Jul 17, 2013 22:01:00 GMT
I would never have guessed that the 35mm wouldn't exist for the movie.
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Post by Rob Moss on Jul 17, 2013 22:51:09 GMT
This is no different to the studio recordings of any other episode being junked after the edit.
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Post by Marty Schultz on Jul 18, 2013 0:02:35 GMT
I've seen this too. Can't remember where BUT the 35mm film exists its just that the paper edit doesn't nor does an assembled edit of the actual 35mm footage -so it's unfeasible in terms of blu ray budget to scan and re-assemble.
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Post by Kevin Wilson on Jul 18, 2013 6:54:16 GMT
I've seen this too. Can't remember where BUT the 35mm film exists its just that the paper edit doesn't nor does an assembled edit of the actual 35mm footage -so it's unfeasible in terms of blu ray budget to scan and re-assemble. Shame
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Post by Andrew Parker on Jul 18, 2013 8:55:06 GMT
I've seen this too. Can't remember where BUT the 35mm film exists its just that the paper edit doesn't nor does an assembled edit of the actual 35mm footage -so it's unfeasible in terms of blu ray budget to scan and re-assemble. Is that economically unfeasible?
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Post by Marty Schultz on Jul 18, 2013 9:23:55 GMT
I've seen this too. Can't remember where BUT the 35mm film exists its just that the paper edit doesn't nor does an assembled edit of the actual 35mm footage -so it's unfeasible in terms of blu ray budget to scan and re-assemble. Is that economically unfeasible? You would have to scan/convert all the film. Re-assemble it and re-lay the soundtrack from the sources. I'm just repeating what I read recently. Where did I read it? No idea. Maybe on another thread here?
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Post by Marty Schultz on Jul 18, 2013 9:25:14 GMT
Hopefully someone from the restoration team can answer the questions.
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Post by Marty Schultz on Jul 18, 2013 9:28:03 GMT
Hopefully someone from the restoration team can answer the questions. The only other major problem (aside from the FX as Richard mentioned) would be rights. I know (in Australia) there have been issues. Our dvd files didn't have the movie. Perhaps Fox own international and BBC own domestic (U.K.) rights?
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Post by Sue Butcher on Jul 18, 2013 9:35:04 GMT
Star Trek's a different case. It was made from go to whoa on 35mm film , with no video at all. You can't get a high definition image out of a standard definition video recording. You'd have to go back and make it all over again using the source material.
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Post by Charles Daniels on Jul 18, 2013 9:56:41 GMT
Sorry if I'm about to venture into heresy here -- but if all the takes exists, then rather than meticulously search each one and compare it frame by frame to the TVM as it exists now, and try to re-edit the entire thing back into existence exactly as it is now --
Couldn't you produce a TVM "Director's Cut" and make that the Blu Ray, HD cut of the film only? If you have to re-do all the special effects anyway, its already going to be rather different to the transmitted version.
So, why not make the Blu Ray have a massive selling point? The Directors cut, with new special effects, and featuring different takes?
Then you've got the as-broadcast Standard Def DVD release. And the Blu Ray exclusive re-edit.
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