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Post by gj brum on Jul 4, 2005 11:50:05 GMT
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Post by gj brum on Jul 4, 2005 11:52:10 GMT
news of the next event A third event in the series will follow on Saturday 3rd September 2005, celebrating 50 Years of ITV. Guests for the day will be John Johnson and Christopher Hodson, both formerly of Associated-Rediffusion. Kaleidoscope favourite Tony Currie will also be there with a new special presentation. Screenings will include the ITV Opening Night, Sexton Blake, No Hiding Place, Object Z, Ready Steady Go, Biggles, Weaver's Green, Our Man at St Mark's, Torchy the Battery Boy, Verdict is Yours, Shadow Squad, the Raffles play and Ivor the Engine.
Please note all details of forthcoming events may be subject to change before the day. Hope to have some of you joining us in June and September.
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Post by C Perry on Jul 4, 2005 20:44:45 GMT
3rd Sept in Stourbridge, West Midlands, 12pm-8.30pm Guests Chris Hodson and Tony Currie. Shows include Strangers, Spindoe, the last ever Magpie, Biggles, Weavers Green, The Avengers and other stuff. www.kaleidoscope.org.ukJohn is quite explicit that we cannot do mail order, I'm sorry but those are his terms, we have to live with them. C |
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Post by ethantyler on Jul 4, 2005 22:25:51 GMT
news of the next event A third event in the series will follow on Saturday 3rd September 2005, celebrating 50 Years of ITV. Guests for the day will be John Johnson and Christopher Hodson, both formerly of Associated-Rediffusion. Kaleidoscope favourite Tony Currie will also be there with a new special presentation. Screenings will include the ITV Opening Night, Sexton Blake, No Hiding Place, Object Z, Ready Steady Go, Biggles, Weaver's Green, Our Man at St Mark's, Torchy the Battery Boy, Verdict is Yours, Shadow Squad, the Raffles play and Ivor the Engine. Please note all details of forthcoming events may be subject to change before the day. Hope to have some of you joining us in June and September. I won't be attending, but I'm pleased Torchy the Battery Boy is in the line-up. I only found out on Sunday that it's available on DVD! ;D |
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Post by Mark Brown on Jul 9, 2005 9:14:41 GMT
Who is in overall charge of the AR Archive these days?
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Post by Michael on Jul 9, 2005 9:26:08 GMT
Last I knew what was left of the A-R archive was in the hands of the National Film and Televison Archive/British Film Institute.
Although recently in the 50 Years of ITV docu clips from Double YourMoney and Take Your Pick were credited to:
Associated Redifussion(Archbuild Ltd).
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Post by PHNEILL on Jul 9, 2005 13:29:24 GMT
My understanding is that Archbuild own the rights to the Rediffusion archive (in some case jointly with other companies) but the actual films and tapes are in the charge of the NFTVA.
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Post by Michael on Jul 11, 2005 18:29:09 GMT
Thanks for the reply,Mr.Neil.
Just as a query,is there any surviving A-R progs on V/T?
They used to cover afternoon racing in the 60's so maybe an odd edition of that is still on V/T as it was live.
I was under the impression that all that survived was on 16mm T/R-I have seen half of a Half Hour Story as a coulor 16mm T/R at NFT-I say only half as that was all that was left of it.
Maybe Dick Fiddy could provide an answear to any A-R stuff left on tape question.
And don't forget folks that on the 25th of July both At Last The 1948 Show and Do Not Adjust Your Set are released on DVD.
Not sure if Do Not is the first Redifussion or the second Thames seris.
But this does mark the first time that any A-R material has been made available on sell through.
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Post by John G on Jul 11, 2005 23:11:36 GMT
One of the rumours was that the BFI was offered the whole archive in 1968, but turned it down, because it did have a clue what to do with this new fangled videotape stuff even though it had been out ten years.
(time moves slowly when somebody else is paying the bills)
Middle class film men that ran the BFi at that time, would have probably also had a contempt for working class television programmes anyway?
In the end though they had to take something as part of their remit to the public. So grudgingly they took a few cans of film just to say they had something from AR.
Sadly until the last few years (and the missing episode movement by Kaleidoscope etc) that stuff they took has probably been lying in its cans untouched all those years, while they spent their budget restoring some old film about basket weaving made by some Russian guy with a long funny name, that some film luvvy faintly remembers.
allegedly
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Post by Larry Dutch on Jul 12, 2005 11:58:44 GMT
3rd Sept in Stourbridge, West Midlands, 12pm-8.30pm Guests Chris Hodson and Tony Currie. Shows include Strangers, Spindoe, the last ever Magpie, Biggles, Weavers Green, The Avengers and other stuff. www.kaleidoscope.org.ukJohn is quite explicit that we cannot do mail order, I'm sorry but those are his terms, we have to live with them. C That's fair enough if the author thinks this Mr Perry, and obviously you can only abide by his wishes. But that said, this is a really naive attitude and he should be pursuaded to rethink this decision. If it's only 9 pages, this will be photocopied and handed out all over the place. So why not make this more widely available for people (such as myself) who don't reside anywhere near this event. The reality is that it will either be photocopied by all and sundry (and the author will lose out on potential earnings) or if the info is that precious, copies will end up on ebay and again the author makes nothing for a higher priced 2nd hand copy sold by someone who could attend. There was a situation in the past few years where an Australian artist who had released a semi-classic impossibly rare psych solo album back in 1969 (Trevor McNamara), had never reissued the recording on CD even though many wanted it out. He kept saying no to companies who approached him with fairly small financial offers to do so. A German label then contacted him and said that they knew of a European bootlegger who had tracked down a copy and was going to release it so he may as well take what they were offering (which wasn't a bad figure) rather than get nothing from the bootleggers. It was an extremely scarce album and very few copies existed so it had not done the rounds on CD previously. McNamara took the dosh on offer as it was better than zero. The point is - once it's out there, it's out there so really the author should make hay while the sun shines. Just my opinion. Cheers LD |
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Post by C Perry on Jul 13, 2005 5:09:37 GMT
I agree with you. I'm sure John will rethink his decision in the course of time. Chris  |
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Post by PHNEILL on Jul 16, 2005 13:59:42 GMT
The oldest surviving UK quadruplex video tape is pre- recorded segments of a drama called "Women in Love" made by Associated Rediffusion in 1958. There are also a few Rediffusion video tapes made in 1959 and in the Jack Hylton collection. It is possible that some of the 1968 Rediffusion series Half Hour Story which was repeated in 1971 on ITV which is held by the NFTVA may be on video tape.
As I understand it most of the surviving Rediffusion programmes are either films or film telerecordings. Some were donated during the 1960s by Rediffusion. A large number of them were obtained from Global Television (responsible for overseas distribution of Rediffusion programmes) around 1973/4. The NFTVA took them when Jeremy Isaacs who had worked for Rediffusion informed it that Global Television had no further use for them.
As a general point the NFTVA was offered video tapes during the 1960s by some of the ITV companies but did not take them because it was beleived that video tape was not suitable for long term archiving and was alien to what at that time was primarily a film archive. This only changed in 1969 when it became clear that it would be expensive and difficult to make colour film telerecordings of good quality and it was therefore decided to accept video tapes. This meant that the NFTVA had to employ video tape engineers and buy quadruplex video tape recorders. It therfore began to accquire monochrome and colour video tapes both in the form of donations from ITV companies and purchases from both ITV companies and the BBC.
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Post by howstean on Jul 16, 2005 21:11:57 GMT
There's a 1958 episode of Life With The Lyons available on an "Unsold Pilots" of various A-R shows offered to US TV networks but never bought. This is on a commercial US videotape, but I'm not sure what the other shows on the tape are.
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Post by Clive in the UK on Jul 18, 2005 8:45:25 GMT
The oldest surviving UK quadruplex video tape is pre- recorded segments of a drama called "Women in Love" made by Associated Rediffusion in 1958. There are also a few Rediffusion video tapes made in 1959 and in the Jack Hylton collection. It is possible that some of the 1968 Rediffusion series Half Hour Story which was repeated in 1971 on ITV which is held by the NFTVA may be on video tape. I remember the BBC saying that the oldest VT it held was also from around '58 and was from a Childrens programme. Possibly 'Mr Pastry' though I can't be sure. |
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Post by Laurence Piper on Jul 18, 2005 11:03:31 GMT
I'd certainly like to get to the bottom of what happened to the Rediffusion VTs. The only programmes of theirs that seem to survive on tape (as opposed to T/R) now are some made independently by Jack Hylton Productions in the '50s and a handful made in colour in the mid '60s as co-productions with US broadcasters (the Women In Love instance seems to be a genuine anomaly). No wiping of a companies' entite tape output is so total that not a single VT has managed to survive (even a handful of ABC VTs slipped through the net)!
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