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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Jul 2, 2014 10:59:59 GMT
....and there's more....from my birth county of Surrey....NOT featuring Patrick Troughton (sorry Dr Who fans....) is this:- www.youtube.com/watch?v=cS42BLJFybI""Guildford Cathedral Choir, directed by Barry Rose Recorded in Guildford Cathedral, 23 February 1967 and broadcast on BBC TV, 26 March 1967 (According to www.inquiresandplaces.com, this is the oldest surviving TV broadcast of a service by any cathedral choir. We are still looking for the film made of Guildford's consecration service in 1961, which was broadcast live on TV)"" This is a pretty good find indeed!
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Post by Alan Turrell on Jul 2, 2014 11:47:38 GMT
Brilliant Ray well done these finds are really important i get quite excited when you post on here never quite knowing what your going to turn up next great stuff.
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Jul 2, 2014 12:56:25 GMT
Brilliant Ray well done these finds are really important i get quite excited when you post on here never quite knowing what your going to turn up next great stuff. I never know what I'm going to turn up either! Another Songs of Praise, as it happens, appearing not to be at the BFI or BBC - it's from St Bride's Church, Old Trafford. Presumably, if the church is full, it's full of Southerners!!!! Does the minister, check his watch and ask for more time to be added to the services? (both football-related jokes, by the way....)
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Post by Christopher Perry on Jul 3, 2014 7:45:28 GMT
Simon Moreby has asked me to point out that the Guildford Cathedral film you refer to as missing, is held at the BFI Ray.
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Jul 3, 2014 9:15:08 GMT
Simon Moreby has asked me to point out that the Guildford Cathedral film you refer to as missing, is held at the BFI Ray. Simon has since emailed me; there seems to be some confusion about what exists and does not. The Consecration ceremony from 1961 IS at the BFI, Simon did spot that and is quite correct in stating that; My discovery of the youtube clip from the 1967 Songs of Praise does NOT appear to be at the BFI or BBC, and IS missing from being in the archives, it seems. www.youtube.com/watch?v=j65DnyTL-ncThe confusion stems from the uploader posting that he/she believed that the 1961 Consecration footage was missing, me repeating that comment, when that is not the case. Apologies for any confusion, but it appears that the 1967 clip IS , it would appear to be, a new find.
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Jul 3, 2014 10:04:32 GMT
This MAY not exist. I say 'MAY'; I get the impression it might, somewhere, but I cannot find it at the BBC or BFI. This is a BBC Scotland film, and it's a documentary called 'It Happened to Me', presented by Hywel Davies and it's all about a Father O'Flynn from Cork. Very Celtic all round. Here's the synopsis as written by the uploader in 2012:- ""Fr O'Flynn was the subject of a 1961 BBC programme entitled "It Happened to Me", which profiled the life of this amazing man. Fr O'Flynn started a school of drama, music and philosophy, situated next to the renowned Shandon Steeple in Cork, which became known as "The Loft". Here he founded the Cork Shakespearean Company. Fr O'Flynn not only only taught drama, he also worked with people who had stammers and speech impediments, who under his guidance often went on to play full-blooded parts in Shakespeare plays at Cork Opera House. Fr O'Flynn died on January 18th 1962 at the North Infirmary in Cork city. In 2000, RTE named Fr O'Flynn as one of the people of the millennium."" Aside from being a lovely film, it is of interest to me, personally, having ancestors from Cork and also a stammer! Should anyone be able to confirm the existence of this, other than on youtube, please let me know. As I said, I can't find a record of it anywhere, but I think it may exist. Oh, the youtube reference? It's here:- www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgnQ9r1AfME
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Jul 3, 2014 10:24:26 GMT
Grampian Television 'On the Road', 'Thurso'; this early 80's documentary apparantly has 'no surviving master footage'. www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKNfcojnUEsIt is in black and white, rather than colour, though!
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Jul 3, 2014 10:28:58 GMT
....and this is 'On the Road Again'; www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7IhItLd1zcThis is about Kirrie (Kirriemuir) in Angus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirriemuir). The show may exist, again, but I am adding this to this thread as it is certainly related to the last show I referenced which is missing.
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Jul 3, 2014 10:48:07 GMT
From the North of Scotland to the South of England....it's the Wadham Stringer Indoor Cricket Trophy! It's Kent v Essex (please note, a teensy bit of Essex, namely the Southend on Sea area did receive TVS, Bluebell Hill was transferred over to the South East of England franchise by then, and Bluebell Hill transmitted better pictures to that bit of Essex!!!!) This show (and I can't find it at the BFI or Wessex) is presented by legendary Southern/TVS/Meridian presented and P#rtsm#$th FC director Fred Dinenage. Here you go:- www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmJBG25cv_c
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Jul 3, 2014 11:50:57 GMT
From the wonderful Simon Moreby:- ""yes, the filmographic record for On The Road Again...Grampian..'Series of programmes about Scottish Towns, including Crail, Banff, Kirriemuir, Golspie, Thurso and Banchory...no film or video held at bfi.
For ........It Happened To Me...the 3 episode they have are Mary Lindell 26/1/60 interviewed by Hywel Davies..held on 35 mm telercorded neg. Coco The Clown 15/12/60 held on 16 mm Teler Neg Ernie Thomas 23/2/60 made by BBC Midland Unit held on 35 mm BW Positive bfi has 2 other Filmographic records for It Happened To Me for 1959 and 1961, beside the separate filmographic record for Father O'Flynn ....no film or video held for Father O' or 1961 or 1959
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Jul 3, 2014 12:20:37 GMT
Further information from Simon (just emailed to me) states that the BFI may have the Kirriemuir 'On the Road's as part of 'About Britain'; certainly seems like it
""....they do not have holdings under On The Road Again, but they do have holdings under or as part of About Britain...these 2 were made by Grampian as well.
17/7/85 Kirriemuir held on Umatic High Band 30 minutes.""
(Information again from Simon Moreby, received with thanks)
It seems these could be the same shows, re-edited and re-broadcasted as part of About Britain).
BUT, they do not appear to have the Thurso programme.
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Jul 4, 2014 9:57:09 GMT
This sounds quite eerie to me....it's an audio clip of Ali Bongo's Cartoon Carnival! www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJQ3y7KwLjENot great quality - but the entire stack of episodes is missing! ""Missing or incomplete episodes for programme ALI BONGO'S CARTOON CARNIVAL. 23.10.71 Episode 120 (missing) 30.10.71 Episode 121 (missing) 06.11.71 Episode 122 (missing) 13.11.71 Episode 123 (missing) 20.11.71 Episode 124 (missing) 27.11.71 Episode 125 (missing) 04.12.71 Episode 126 (missing) 11.12.71 Episode 127 (missing) 18.12.71 Episode 128 (missing) All 9 episodes are missing."" (no idea why the missing episodes are labelled as such, numerically!)
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Jul 4, 2014 10:08:21 GMT
A bad quality black-and-white silent clip of a show I've never heard of - Tricks'n'Nixon - it either dates from 1962 or 1963. Has anyone heard of this? www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptIZcnwu-IUIt does appear to be a British show!
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Post by Stephen Byers on Jul 4, 2014 12:01:17 GMT
Great finds on YouTube - thank you for the details.
So what do you guys do if you find on YouTube (or Vimeo etc.) say a missing episode that is unknown and not in any archive collections? It is possible to download from YouTube but the resulting files have likely been converted many times during the upload process so any download would be of inferior quality to the original.
My concern is that someone here (or at YouTube) gets these uploads removed for breaking copyright. Then they are lost forever. Or is there a systematic project here to download and document all finds say for an ex-YouTube archive?
I notice that YouTube does remove hundreds of uploads regularly, as indeed does Archive.org (another depository for audio / video files). And I guess the same goes for Vimeo. Specifically the BBC seems to be increasingly active in getting old programmes removed from YouTube and Archive.org even though I understand that it is still not interested in archiving its own programmes unless they are commercially viable.
I have a friend with some missing programmes (actually likely long forgotten) on YouTube but we are afraid to give out details in case they are then removed thereby denying others the pleasure of listening / viewing them. Some of them date from the mid-1960s and are not even in the LostProgrammes archive.
So what DO you guys here actually do with these discoveries on YouTube?
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Jul 4, 2014 12:24:58 GMT
Great finds on YouTube - thank you for the details. So what do you guys do if you find on YouTube (or Vimeo etc.) say a missing episode that is unknown and not in any archive collections? It is possible to download from YouTube but the resulting files have likely been converted many times during the upload process so any download would be of inferior quality to the original. My concern is that someone here (or at YouTube) gets these uploads removed for breaking copyright. Then they are lost forever. Or is there a systematic project here to download and document all finds say for an ex-YouTube archive? I notice that YouTube does remove hundreds of uploads regularly, as indeed does Archive.org (another depository for audio / video files). And I guess the same goes for Vimeo. Specifically the BBC seems to be increasingly active in getting old programmes removed from YouTube and Archive.org even though I understand that it is still not interested in archiving its own programmes unless they are commercially viable. I have a friend with some missing programmes (actually likely long forgotten) on YouTube but we are afraid to give out details in case they are then removed thereby denying others the pleasure of listening / viewing them. Some of them date from the mid-1960s and are not even in the LostProgrammes archive. So what DO you guys here actually do with these discoveries on YouTube? It varies! I sometimes contact the uploader, and let them know the clip is missing and mention Kaleidoscope's details (or occasionally someone else, such as a copyright holder) in the message/email. Sometimes they already know, they may have been contacted before or just know Kal. Often I don't get a reply!!!!!!!!!!! One COULD in theory get things downloaded from youtube, and set up a collection of such recordings. All my ""finds"" are noted on this Forum. I do make mistakes (I am quite happy to, if it means something actually exists in the proper archive!!!!) and a few things have disappeared as well. There are certain legal issues regarding the possession of youtube clips on any format, analogue or digital, that concern me a wee bit. Nonetheless, I think the broadcasters and copyright holders would accept that if not done for profit or reward, the safekeeping of files of otherwise missing programmes from a youtube uploaded (naturally offered to either Kal, the broadcaster, copyright owner or Regional or appropriate archive) would be acceptable. I would like to repeat myself and state that all my youtube finds are mentioned and referenced on this Forum, and in addition that all persons that I have contacted about such finds are provided with the relevant contact details of Kaleidoscope or a copyright holder at an early opportunity.
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