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Post by ColinC on Apr 30, 2013 13:17:43 GMT
I wondered whether anyone might be able to throw some light on the listing of a 'sound only' entry on the BBC Motion Gallery site. This appears to indicate the existence of an audio recording (or at least excerpts) of the missing Out of the Unknown episode 'The Naked Sun, directed by Rudolph Cartier for the third series of OOTU in 1969: LDP9232W - OUT OF THE UNKNOWN: THE NAKED SUN Catalogue:LONPROG Catalogue Page: 9894831 Item Duration:00:49:32.000+01:00 Subject - Science fiction mystery drama 'The Naked Sun' by Isaac ASIMOV, dramatised by Robert MULLER. Detective Baley must solve a murder on the planet Solaria, where reclusive people have their every need attended to by robots. > NB:ONLY SOUND REMAINS I've already made direct enquiries, but the department is essentially a commercial footage licensing department of the BBC and can only help companies seeking to license the reuse of BBC footage (they've politely pointed out that they're not in a position to assist with private research enquiries). It seems clear that the Motion Gallery site does not have any direct links with the Radiophonic Workshop holdings, so it's unlikely the listing relates to the surviving Delia Derbyshire compositions for this episode. Any further details as to what this refers to would be most welcome  |
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Post by felixdembinski on Apr 30, 2013 15:50:13 GMT
00:49:32, if thats 49 minutes and 32 seconds then thats about the correct length for the full audio! maybe and off air copy was given to them. I think about 4 minutes of audio already exist from this story though.
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Post by felixdembinski on Apr 30, 2013 16:04:26 GMT
its saying that a sound only copy of BEACH HEAD S03E04 exists too
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Post by felixdembinski on Apr 30, 2013 16:10:37 GMT
its does say that THE CHOPPER and THE SHATTERED EYE exist on VT though, so it may be a little incorrect
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Post by felixdembinski on Apr 30, 2013 16:16:07 GMT
I typed in THIRTY MINUTE THEATRE to see what came up on this site, and its saying they have a copy of the episode TEETH, which lost shows is saying is missing. This site must either have a few errors in, or there have been a few things discovered that lost shows hasn't heard about.
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Post by Stuart Douglas on May 2, 2013 9:22:06 GMT
I typed in THIRTY MINUTE THEATRE to see what came up on this site, and its saying they have a copy of the episode TEETH, which lost shows is saying is missing. This site must either have a few errors in, or there have been a few things discovered that lost shows hasn't heard about. Any newly discovered Thirty Minute Theatre would be *very* welcome! Stuart |
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Post by John Green on May 2, 2013 9:50:29 GMT
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Post by Nigel Lamb on May 2, 2013 10:41:36 GMT
BBC Motion Gallery is not neccessarily listing only existing items as this link indicates www.bbcmotiongallery.com/gallery/clip/2B0109297_xxx.dowhen clicking on more information or view clip it states not held in the bbbc archive as thus LDL5851J 1/1 DR WHO: THE WEB OF FEAR:6 BBC 09/03/68 Catalogue: LONPROG Catalogue Page: 9304971 Item Duration: 00:24:41.000+01:00 Subject Sci-Fi Drama. 6/6. The TARDIS lands in a deserted London Underground station. The streets of London are also empty. Why is London devoid of life? The Doctor is about to meet some old enemies lurking in the tube tunnels! > film recording, sp s 35mm silent film, ex-lib 35mm sound film, cpyrt musicTARDIS DATABANK: [2ND APPEARANCE OF GREAT INTELLIGENCE & YETI] 1. ALIENS ENCOUNTERED IN EP6: Humans & Yeti robots. 2. PLANET VISITED : Earth, Humanian Era, 20th Century, 1968. 3. TARDIS CREW : Dr Who (Patrick TROUGHTON); Jamie MCCRIMMON (Fraser HINES) & Victoria WATERFIELD (Deborah WATLING. The Intelligence's aim is to drain the Dr's mind. The Dr manages to sabotage the brain drain device & attempts to drain the Intelligence's mind. However, his friends "rescue" him before he can do it. The Intelligence is defeated. NB: MISSING EPISODE. NO COMPLETE PROGRAMME IN BBC ARCHIVE. Name JOSEPHS, Wilfred (COM); LEVENE, John; BRYANT, Peter (PRD); COURT, Jimmy (CAM); JONAS, Alan (CAM); COURTNEY, Nicholas; BAYLE, F. (COM); SHERWIN, Derrick (SCR); STOTHARD, Gordon; PACKER, Tina; ROLLASON, Jon; TROUGHTON, Patrick; LINCOLN, Henry (SCR); GRAINER, Ron; WATLING, Jack; POLLITT, Derek; WOOLGAR, Jack; BAUGH, Martin (COS); HINES, Frazer; WATLING, Deborah; HODGSON, Brian; CAMFIELD, Douglas (DIR); HAISMAN, Mervyn (SCR); HOBSON, Colin (FED); JAMES, Sylvia (MKU); MYERSCOUGH-JONES, David (DGN); BARNIKEL, Philip (FED) |
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Post by Rob Moss on May 2, 2013 11:07:40 GMT
If you go into the Teeth entry and click on Additional Information, there's a note at the bottom which says "Film available: No", so there are items there which don't appear to exist at all, and unfortunately Teeth appears to be one of them.
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Post by felixdembinski on May 2, 2013 11:17:59 GMT
If you go into the Teeth entry and click on Additional Information, there's a note at the bottom which says "Film available: No", so there are items there which don't appear to exist at all, and unfortunately Teeth appears to be one of them. that's a shame. It's saying film unavailable for THE NAKED SUN too, but they only said they had the audio for that. |
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Post by Rob Moss on May 2, 2013 11:26:38 GMT
Yes, and the Dr Who entry doesn't even mention the audio, just says "Film Available: No", so it's clearly an inconsistent system!
Anyway, it doesn't clear up whether they do actually have the OOTU audio, so we're not really much the wiser!
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2013 12:46:21 GMT
I've found with some of these ambiguous entries where the item isn't definitely said to be missing, the reason for the listing is often something along the lines of a clip existing (either audio or video) or an insert (or sound insert of same). It could be something like that here, although probably nothing much of consequence. This database can be pretty useless in a lot of ways, similar to the old BFI one which just lists programmes in a random fashion unrelated to archive status!  |
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Post by John Green on May 2, 2013 13:08:32 GMT
It couldn't,really,be simpler.
They list shows they've got.
They also list some they haven't got.Sometimes,it seems,there's a note recording the fact that it's absent.Sometimes there isn't.
What better tool could there be for researchers?
(You may wish to Google "tool" if you're unfamiliar with the term).
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Post by Rob Moss on May 2, 2013 13:27:05 GMT
(You may wish to Google "tool" if you're unfamiliar with the term). I'd advise against doing this whilst at work unless you turn your safe search on first, folks. |
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Post by John Green on May 2, 2013 13:30:09 GMT
And I'd just reckoned that that line was too uncouth,and was going to delete it...
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