Post by Eric Vandebeek on May 23, 2013 23:03:20 GMT
I very much enjoyed the Beechnut and American Bandstand clips posted on the NRR Archives YouTube channel. And I hope they will be released on DVD by Dick Clark Productions very soon. Like John Scott wrote in this thread, the video's posted on YouTube are digital copies from VHS copies from U-matic tapes copied from kinescopes. How great these performances would look if the original kinescopes were used to make new digital copies!
As to the history of the kinescopes there are a few questions I have, I hope John Scott will be able to answer for us.
Did ABC tape just one kinescope of each Beechnut and American Bandstand show they aired? If there was more than one kinescope of each show, could it be there are still identical kinescopes floating around? And if yes, were are they now?
Who owns "the multiple episodes that either Dick never had, or are any part of the DCMA site"? Some collector sent me a list of 19 American Bandstand clips from 1958, 1959 and 1960 that are not on the DCMA site. He also sent me a digital copy of 'Image Of A Girl' by the Safaris, to prove he really has them, but he doesn't wanted to share the others. Nor did he want to tell me how he got those clips.
John Scott wrote the Beechnut Show no longer belongs to Dick Clark Productions. "He sold them a few years back when he was becoming ill." This puzzles me. John, did you refer to the Dick Clark Productions take over by Gugenheim Partners? This happened about six months after Dick died. Or did you refer to the kinescopes? At this moment who owns the kinescopes that Dick saved from the dump? And who owns the 3/4 U-matic tapes that were copied from the original kinescopes?
Also, is there any chance we will see an official release in the near future of the Beechnut and 1964 Bandstand video's? John Scott said on this forum this wasn't very likely. But maybe things have changed after the warm welcome NRR Archives got from the YouTube community?
Here's Dick Clark telling how he rescued the original kinescopes:
Post by John Scott / NRRArchives on May 25, 2013 7:01:18 GMT
WOW. This thread is still alive? I haven't been on in so long. I thought the whole topic had faded. I still can't find the way to respond to specific questions or paragraphs in a message (as I've seen others do), so I'm simply going to have to cut and paste Eric's questions and respond accordingly:
>>I very much enjoyed the Beechnut and American Bandstand clips posted on the NRR Archives YouTube channel. And I hope they will be released on DVD by Dick Clark Productions very soon. Like John Scott wrote in this thread, the video's posted on YouTube are digital copies from VHS copies from U-matic tapes copied from kinescopes. How great these performances would look if the original kinescopes were used to make new digital copies!<<
You are exactly right Eric. Although some kinescopes were terrible quality, either audio or splices, the majority of them would look much better.
>>As to the history of the kinescopes there are a few questions I have, I hope John Scott will be able to answer for us.<<
Sure thing. Fire away.
>>Did ABC tape just one kinescope of each Beechnut and American Bandstand show they aired? If there was more than one kinescope of each show, could it be there are still identical kinescopes floating around? And if yes, were are they now?<<
No. There were multiple kinescopes of the Saturday Night Beech-Nut show that were made for affiliate distribution. The sad thing is that ABC (and most network policy) was to discard the film after use as it was never intended to be used again. Sometimes they would be returned back to ABC's headquarters in New York to be discarded. Los Angeles had a habit of not bothering to ship network prints back to New York. But they DID have a policy of discarding them locally. That's the only reason they existed to wind up back in the hands of Dick Clark. Another reason was that ABC owned the show, so the Los Angeles affiliate was under no stressful obligation to bother sending them back to New York.
>>Who owns "the multiple episodes that either Dick never had, or are any part of the DCMA site"? Some collector sent me a list of 19 American Bandstand clips from 1958, 1959 and 1960 that are not on the DCMA site. He also sent me a digital copy of 'Image Of A Girl' by the Safaris, to prove he really has them, but he doesn't wanted to share the others. Nor did he want to tell me how he got those clips.<<
Dick Clark actually had a few of those. There were a few American Bandstand episodes that Paul Brownstein told me about when they were first discovered. There are so many things that are not on the DCMA site. They devoted only a relatively small amount of time to the Bandstand and Beechnut episodes. They are mostly interested in the Golden Globe and American Music Awards footage.
About the person who has the clips from those few Bandstand episodes ... I don't understand the selfishness in wanting to boast that one has them, but not wanting to share. It's got to be one of the worst ego trips out there. Some people just have the need to feel like they are envied.
>>John Scott wrote the Beechnut Show no longer belongs to Dick Clark Productions. "He sold them a few years back when he was becoming ill." This puzzles me. John, did you refer to the Dick Clark Productions take over by Gugenheim Partners? This happened about six months after Dick died.<<
Actually, Dick Clark's company was sold several years before his death to another company. I'm a little sketchy on the specifics, but it was a sports and entertainment mogul named Daniel Snyder. The company was again re-sold after Dick Clark died to that Guggenheim group. So, that sale was much more recent. But I was referring to the original sale maybe 5 or 6 years ago.
>>At this moment who owns the kinescopes that Dick saved from the dump? And who owns the 3/4 U-matic tapes that were copied from the original kinescopes?<<
It all remains inventory that was sold when Dick Clark Productions was sold. There wasn't any separation of properties.
>>Also, is there any chance we will see an official release in the near future of the Beechnut and 1964 Bandstand video's? John Scott said on this forum this wasn't very likely. But maybe things have changed after the warm welcome NRR Archives got from the YouTube community?<<
That's always a hope. There hasn't been much activity in persuing any commercial avenues with the shows, other than a random licensing of a clip here and there. Remember, when it's a collective ownership worth billions of dollars (with many other high revenue projects that keep millions of dollars flowing in) they spend less time with a side project like the old Saturday Night Beechnut shows. It only generates pennies by their standards.
However, if a company, say for example, MPI Home Video had bought the rights (or seeks to license a deal), that's MPI's entire livelihood. They would spend the time to market the Bandstand product because their core audience and market would be those like us who would buy them in an instant. It's just that Guggenheim isn't in the home DVD market. However, and rumors do fly ... if they do wind up acquiring Hulu, and they appoint a group to oversee it's management, then you might see some activity regarding the Bandstand shows because that division will be focused on television shows. So, keep fingers crossed as change is always in the air.
I want to again thank everybody who has supported my You Tube channels. We're always hoping that Guggenheim will see the wonderful comments and constant requests for "more". Now I will have to go back and read any other comments that I missed during the last several months.
And I do promise there is still more to come on all channels. However, I know the Saturday Night Beech-Nut show is the most popular (as it is also my favourite). I just don't want to be specific because if there are delays (and there are always delays), I don't want the air to be filled with disappointment. But just know that there definitely IS still more Beech-Nut to come.
Post by Eric Vandebeek on May 25, 2013 14:41:38 GMT
John, thanks very much for your quick reply and illuminating commentary.
Let's keep our fingers crossed that one day, hopefully soon, the Beechnut heritage will finally get the treatment it deserves.
Maybe Bear Family will give it a try? They subscribed to NRR Archives' You Tube channel....
Although John Scott cleared up much of the mystery, the story goes on. We know what's inside the Dick Clark Media Archives, but we still don't know about the rest, the Beechnut video's that never entered the archive. Like I said, there's 'Image of A Girl' by the Safaris, and allmost certainly there are:
Huey Smith & The Clowns - Don't you just know it Jimmy Jones - Good Timin' Marv Johnson - You got what it takes Playmates - Don't go home Ron Holden - Love you so Ronnie Hawkins - Mary Lou Skip & Flip - Cherry Pie Skip & Flip - It was I Dion & the Belmonts - Every little thing Skyliners - This I swear The Crests - Step by step The Danleers - One summer night The Dubs - Could this be magic The Imapalas - Sorry (I ran all the way home) The Rays - Silhouettes The Shields - You Cheated Thomas Wayne - Tragedy Voxpoppers - Wishing for your love
Would there be more? Buddy Holly? Ritchie Valens? John Scott doesn't think so, knowing the person Dick Clark was ("Dick loved the spotlight. The rarity and worldwide recognition that would have come with Dick presenting the only known existing footage of Ritchie Valens and the only lip-synched Buddy Holly footage would have been an absolute delight."). But who knows much more Beechnut kinescopes were rescued from the dump than the ones Dick Clark obtained?
Post by Jonathan McKey on Apr 7, 2021 19:10:21 GMT
8 years since this thread has been alive, wow. I wonder if anyone in this thread even still uses their account. Well, if at least John Scott / NRRArchives still talks on this website, I have a few questions.
1. I know you were saying that there are only 65 episodes of the beechnut show. When you say that do you mean 65 of the 136 kinescopes have been transferred or is it that there are only 65 existing shows and of those kinescopes there are only a handful of the kinescopes transferred? I am wondering because if less than half the shows exist, that would suck. And also there is a new scanner that doesn't use sprocket holes to scan it, so if there is sprocket damage, but the audio track isn't severely damaged, you could transfer the original kinescopes again to digital at 4K quality. no more Kine to U-Matic to VHS to DVD to Digital. Just Kine to 4K Digital.
2. Was there ever a reason why you only uploaded clips, and didn't upload any full episodes to YouTube? I was hoping maybe you could start uploading full episodes (Or at least compile the transferred clips into one video as I know some episodes are incomplete) so all of us who can't have access the full episodes on DVD can at least watch it on YouTube.
3. Will there be a DVD release of the full episodes of The Dick Clark Show, Where The Action Is, and/or the existing episodes of Bandstand? I tried contacting DCP & ABC regarding releasing these shows on DVD and 5 months later, nothing. I even tried asking a sketchy collector online if he had any episodes and his response was him saying "Go blow your d**k in someone else face, J**K Off! What the heck was that for? Whoever said I wanted to do that? Jeez..... Anyway, so I was also wondering if you could maybe ask DCP when there will be a DVD release of the original shows.
4. About splicing, How come when there are splices on film, why does the picture fly all over the place(Not the film itself), if that makes sense. Like when there's a splice in the film and it goes through the telecine, and the picture shakes and then the audio clips about a second after the picture shakes. Also, why does it take a second for the sound to clip after the picture shakes, is it because the part where the sound is scanned is apart from where the film is scanned? Another thing about splicing, how do you splice film back together after it coming apart? I'm in the process of transferring my Grandma's old home movies, I found a telecine for cheap to transfer them, but on my Grandma and Grandpa's wedding film, there's a big splice with half the film attached, other half broken. and that part there is wrinkled so I want to cut out those few frames and splice them back together. I see splicers at the auction all the time but want to see if there is a way of Band-Aid ing or MacGyver ing it if you will just enough to hold it together during the scanning process.
Thank you for all your info about fires, lost episodes, and other information. I hope you can answer my questions.
Post by elleryphillips on Apr 7, 2021 20:54:27 GMT
I seem to remember Dick Clark talking about the Buddy Holly Footage which was lost sometime in the late 60's so I suspect that footage probably no longer exists which is a shame. Does anyone know what Buddy was singing on the show??
Post by Jonathan McKey on Apr 8, 2021 13:28:58 GMT
Yay the thread is alive again. elleryphillips I know that the Bandstand episode of Buddy Holly & Ritchie Valens is lost when ABC dumped them, even after Dick Clark said he wanted all of them. And I know that John said Dick didn't have the episode of Ritchie Valens, or Buddy Holly on Saturday Night, but I wonder, since they made multiple copies per affiliate, if somewhere in someone's collection, they have a copy. Someone did audiotape the Buddy Holly Bandstand episode and take multiple pictures of the screen, but that's still not the same. You can only pretend to imagine what the performance looked like based off of the few photos, but that's also still not the same. If I remember correctly, for Bandstand, the first show was Heartbeat, and the second show was It's So Easy. And Ritchie performed Donna(?). Buddy performed It's So Easy on Saturday Night, and I think Ritchie performed Come On, Let's Go(?) on it too, but from my knowledge those episodes are gone.