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Post by davidstead on Sept 15, 2012 16:45:54 GMT
Just a quick reply on here for John Preddle's Question.
The Numbers 11C, 15A (for example), were all on the labels when the prints were returned from Villiers House in 1987. They must have meant something to Enterprises at some stage.
The labels as they show on the scans, are exactly as they were found on the plastic cases the prints returned in.
Davidx
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Post by Mark Vanderlinde-Abernathy on Sept 15, 2012 18:19:59 GMT
What does "Join in Both Reels" mean?
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Post by John Wall on Sept 15, 2012 19:01:19 GMT
What does "Join in Both Reels" mean? It's probably either an instruction or a description. |
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Post by John Green on Sept 15, 2012 19:34:23 GMT
Wasn't there a discussion on another thread about whether this meant that some episodes were shown back-to-back?
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Post by Jon Preddle on Sept 15, 2012 20:46:40 GMT
What does "Join in Both Reels" mean? From the A + B notation on some of the labels, it looks like the episodes were at some time split in half, with reach half on its own reel, and inits own can. This was probably done by Enterprises to provide a suitable point mid-way for the insertion of a commercial break. But since the eps were complete when they were found, the two halves had been spliced back together, and the now complete ep placed in a can that once held only the A or B half. But the 'join in both reels' notation might mean (or at least that's how I interpret it) that each of the two halves had a splice (a join) in it - i.e. with the A + B halves spliced together there was a total of three 'joins' within the episode. |
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Post by Jon Preddle on Sept 15, 2012 20:55:24 GMT
Just a quick reply on here for John Preddle's Question. The Numbers 11C, 15A (for example), were all on the labels when the prints were returned from Villiers House in 1987. They must have meant something to Enterprises at some stage. The labels as they show on the scans, are exactly as they were found on the plastic cases the prints returned in. Davidx They might have been a location marker - i.e cabinet 11, shelf C; cabinet 15, shelf A, etc. |
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Post by John Wall on Sept 15, 2012 21:00:05 GMT
Just a quick reply on here for John Preddle's Question. The Numbers 11C, 15A (for example), were all on the labels when the prints were returned from Villiers House in 1987. They must have meant something to Enterprises at some stage. The labels as they show on the scans, are exactly as they were found on the plastic cases the prints returned in. Davidx They might have been a location marker - i.e cabinet 11, shelf C; cabinet 15, shelf A, etc. Not some secret Masonic code placed there by the illuminati  |
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Post by Greg H on Sept 15, 2012 21:12:57 GMT
They might have been a location marker - i.e cabinet 11, shelf C; cabinet 15, shelf A, etc. Not some secret Masonic code placed there by the illuminati Dang. I was hoping they were co-ordinates |
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Post by Kelly Davies on Sept 15, 2012 21:31:46 GMT
Hi. First post. Been lurking for a few months.
I live in Canada and I firmly believe and hope that there are some missing episodes lurking around in some peoples garages, attics, storage rooms in Canada and/or in the back rooms of some obscure CBC building or ex-employee's just like some of the stories i have read. Not likely I know, but damn I can just feel it lol Not enough awareness in the current generation and a lot of the people that might have somethin stashed away are getting old and passing on. What concerns me is that someone might come across it and not even know; less awareness in the general public here than in England I think. We had pretty strong ties with England back in the 60s and 70s (still do obviously but it was stronger then.) With people moving to and fro, I imagine and hope that there are a couple still out there.
Cheers and stay vigilant!
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Post by Jon Preddle on Sept 16, 2012 1:30:34 GMT
I'm a bit confused as to why Australia would hold on to those five stories. Any particular reason to not send back the Highlanders or Macra Terror, but yet they do send back the two stories in between them? At a guess, in mid-1975 BBC Enterprises no longer had a full set of Troughtons 'on the shelf', and requested the ABC to send back what they could. The Highlanders and The Macra Terror were not needed (did BBC-E already have them?), so the ABC and the NZBC subsequently destroyed the copies they had. (The NZBC destroyed their copies of The Highlanders and The Macra Terror, but the 'fate' of the two stories in between them is not known.) |
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Post by George D on Sept 16, 2012 2:40:21 GMT
Im curious about the timeline here. In Ian Levine's recent audio interview, he states when he first brought the situation to Sue's attention, the archive was new. Were these episodes still being instructed to be destroyed after Ian and Sue started efforts to have them preserved or did this happen before? I also spoke to one BBC Enterprises employee who would routinely send Sue Malden material anonymously, having been asked to destroy the films by his bosses. When I asked Sue if this had happened, she confirmed it but never knew who the person was. |
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Sept 16, 2012 6:56:56 GMT
Im curious about the timeline here. In Ian Levine's recent audio interview, he states when he first brought the situation to Sue's attention, the archive was new. Were these episodes still being instructed to be destroyed after Ian and Sue started efforts to have them preserved or did this happen before? Stuff was still being thrown away from overseas returns by Enterprises/Worldwide without reference to the BBC Archive as late as 1992 (as evidenced by Enterprises decision to junk the Quad material returned by Dubai in 1991). Sue started in 1978 and the person I spoke to was there until 1981. Paul |
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Post by davidstead on Sept 16, 2012 18:51:40 GMT
As Paul rightly says, there seemed to be little contact between Enterprises and The BBC Archive at Windmill Road even into the nineties, regarding returned material.
It's just by chance that I was able to uncover the Death to the Daleks 625 part one (a direct dub off the original transmitted 2") in the returned Dubai tapes. I was able to get it returned to the Archive, by removing it's outside shipping labelling and sending it to Paul in Pebble Mill where he arranged for it to salvage dubbed (the 2" tape was in poor condition and had to be pieced back together at TVC, by transferring it in several stages a few minutes at a time).
Sue Malden started the good work recovering material when she became the first archive selector in 1978, Steve Bryant then continued the good work - although a little slower paced (he took ages just getting back the first Death to the Daleks 625 copy - the edited version from ABC, around 1986), however as I've mentioned before in previous posts, Steve's replacement Adam Lee didn't continue the sterling work of his predecessors (hence the wiping of the early nineties of many kids progs).
Sue & Steve, archivists at heart, Adam Lee, well.................!
I ought to know I have worked for all three!
Hopefully helpful info,
Davidx
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Post by dennywilson on Sept 16, 2012 22:40:43 GMT
Hi. First post. Been lurking for a few months. I live in Canada and I firmly believe and hope that there are some missing episodes lurking around in some peoples garages, attics, storage rooms in Canada and/or in the back rooms of some obscure CBC building or ex-employee's just like some of the stories i have read. Unlikely, the CBC did a massive index and cataloging several years ago, nothing was found. Also, the film prints that CBC used would have been "bicycled" along to the next broadcaster. Of all the finds from Broadcasters over the years, those outfits were the "last stop" in the chain. There's nothing left to find at any former Broadcaster - Africa and The Pacific Rim have been fully checked. |
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Post by dennywilson on Sept 16, 2012 22:43:06 GMT
Sue & Steve, archivists at heart, Adam Lee, well.................! No one seems to like Adam Lee, Do they? When did he leave the position and did things get better with regards to The Archive and Enterprises/Worldwide regarding holdings and returns? |
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