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Post by Brad Phipps on Sept 22, 2012 4:32:32 GMT
Gosh, with all this recent talk about film can labels, Australian censor clips and vinegar syndrome for film it just makes my missing episode discovery last week so damn boring. Oh well, back in the sock drawer she goes. You're a cruel cruel man. Also, who keeps films with their socks? BTW, you might want to clarify that you're making a joke. Just for the sake of those who are on edge. Mission to the Unknown in my sock drawer is a well known Internet meme. At least in my head it is. Besides, if I had made a discovery would I really announce it with such a low-key back handed comment in a non-specific thread...?
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Post by Michael D. Kimpton on Sept 22, 2012 9:12:41 GMT
You're a cruel cruel man. Also, who keeps films with their socks? BTW, you might want to clarify that you're making a joke. Just for the sake of those who are on edge. Mission to the Unknown in my sock drawer is a well known Internet meme. At least in my head it is. Besides, if I had made a discovery would I really announce it with such a low-key back handed comment in a non-specific thread...? Mission to the Unknown in a sock drawer? Makes sense. After all, doesn't anyone remember about copies of "The Wall of Lies" and "Assassin at Peking" being safely tucked away in Derren Nesbitt's trousers?... Or is my imagination going all weird again?
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Sept 22, 2012 9:24:56 GMT
What use they saw between then and their destruction I'm not sure, but I doubt they were re-broadcasted. Yeah, they were. In 1984. Totally unauthorised of course, but there we go. Paul
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Post by David Robinson on Sept 22, 2012 10:49:17 GMT
So they had been asked if they had any episodes, said no and yet still broadcast some after being asked? Grrrrrrrr!!!!
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Sept 22, 2012 11:40:09 GMT
I don't think they were actually asked.
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Post by George D on Sept 22, 2012 13:08:29 GMT
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Post by Mark Vanderlinde-Abernathy on Sept 22, 2012 14:09:33 GMT
in 1984 Galaxy 4 and Mythmakers were on TV ... I was alive then!
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Post by Greg H on Sept 22, 2012 14:10:24 GMT
You're a cruel cruel man. Also, who keeps films with their socks? BTW, you might want to clarify that you're making a joke. Just for the sake of those who are on edge. Mission to the Unknown in my sock drawer is a well known Internet meme. At least in my head it is. Besides, if I had made a discovery would I really announce it with such a low-key back handed comment in a non-specific thread...? It is now immutable fact in the eyes of fandom!!!! Unhand this 17mm print at once!!!!
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Post by John Andersen on Sept 22, 2012 14:58:35 GMT
I don't think they were actually asked. At another forum, Ian Levine mentions contacting Sierra Leone in 1982. He states that the people there told him that they had no lost episodes. It is not mentioned whether he contacted the TV station that actually bought the stories or the archive. Was he a BBC employee or representative of the company at that time? I also remember a Doctor Who Magazine from 1984 saying that all places that bought Doctor Who in the past were in the process of being contacted to see if they had any lost episodes. Apparently Sierra Leone said the same thing, if they were contacted a second time.
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Post by John Andersen on Sept 22, 2012 15:18:07 GMT
So they had been asked if they had any episodes, said no and yet still broadcast some after being asked? Grrrrrrrr!!!! It seems that Sierra Leone was rife with incompetent employees when asked about the missing episodes in the 80s, and occupied by idiots who burned the archive down in the 90s. I know this probably is a dead end, but if the stories were transmitted again in 1984, what are the chances of somebody recording them on VCR at the time?
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Sept 22, 2012 15:34:20 GMT
I don't think they were actually asked. At another forum, Ian Levine mentions contacting Sierra Leone in 1982. He states that the people there told him that they had no lost episodes. It is not mentioned whether he contacted the TV station that actually bought the stories or the archive. Was he a BBC employee or representative of the company at that time? It's a blistering hot day in Freetown. A clerk at the SLBC is moving a stack of tapes when the phone rings. It's Ian Levine. He says he's looking for old films, possibly a medical series. You don't know the guy. You haven't heard of this old tv series and he hasn't offered you anything to make it worthwhile to search the shelves for him. So you tell the person on the end of the phone (the person 4000 miles away who can't look into your eyes and tell that you're lying) that you don't have those films. No sir. You put the phone down, finish moving your film and go home to your house which is little more than breeze blocks with a corrugated tin roof. Paul
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Post by Mark Vanderlinde-Abernathy on Sept 22, 2012 16:06:06 GMT
The Sierra Leone story is over. No need to continue berating SLBC employees, episode hunters, BBC folks, whomever ... Point is the episodes were there and now they're not. We'll never be able to change that.
Paul, would you have an opinion on the idea of people recording the episodes to VHS? I personally would first ask what's the likelihood of anyone in Sierra Leone owning a VHS recorder. I think in the UK only 30% of the public had VHS recorders by 1985 (source: wikipedia). So I imagine it would be much less in Sierra Leone. And with a devastating war in the late 90s, who knows if any tapes then survived.
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Post by David Robinson on Sept 22, 2012 17:32:09 GMT
To be fair, we cant berate other broadcasters when the one that made the films to start with had already destroyed their own copies!
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Post by John Wall on Sept 22, 2012 17:34:23 GMT
If Ian had been able to get to Sierra Leone with a brown paper envelope full of non consecutively numbered used greenbacks....
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Post by George D on Sept 22, 2012 18:17:49 GMT
I think that if Ian knew, he would have given lots of bags of greenbacks. I guess he assumed they were more truthful.
Sadly, i have to agree that its in the past.
Even though it was probably the second biggest oops in the history of Dr Who preservation (the first being enterprises actually destroying them) its over.
There are no tins sitting on the shelf saying Dr Who episodes.
Fortunately, we've verified the film logs. We've verified that most stations who received the show don't have it. The only thing I don't believe we've verified is that there is nothing left in the rubble. Perhaps the archive contained thousands of reels and I wonder if the fire destroy everything?
Granted its a long shot, but its something I think about.
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