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Post by Mark Vanderlinde-Abernathy on Sept 28, 2012 2:04:31 GMT
It's funny, I had tried working out the Troughton Bicycle Chain several days ago for those particular stories. I had ...
1. Australia 2. Hong Kong (Keeps Tomb) --> Gibraltar (No Tomb) --> Zambia (No Tomb) 3. Singapore --> New Zealand (Censors Ice and Fury) --> Nigeria (No Ice or Fury)
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Post by Jon Preddle on Sept 28, 2012 2:32:18 GMT
It's funny, I had tried working out the Troughton Bicycle Chain several days ago for those particular stories. I had ... 1. Australia 2. Hong Kong (Keeps Tomb) --> Gibraltar (No Tomb) --> Zambia (No Tomb) 3. Singapore --> New Zealand (Censors Ice and Fury) --> Nigeria (No Ice or Fury) The NZ censors viewed the prints of Tomb and Snowmen in October / November 1969, months before Singapore aired them, so those two can't have been supplied by Singapore. The others, Ice Warriors to Wheel however, could have been.; but in terms of 'keep it simple' I don't think NZBC would have sourced the eps from different places.
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Post by Mark Vanderlinde-Abernathy on Sept 28, 2012 2:47:01 GMT
Perhaps both Singapore and New Zealand were supplied with fresh prints of these episodes. Making it four paths total.
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Post by Jon Preddle on Sept 28, 2012 3:33:41 GMT
Perhaps both Singapore and New Zealand were supplied with fresh prints of these episodes. Making it four paths total. Sure, it's certainly possible that NZ's prints of Snowmen were freshly supplied by the BBC - a 'package' that consisted of Power of the Daleks through to Snowmen, and that everything else up to Wheel came from Singapore. But I'm not sure NZBC could have liked getting second hand prints when it usually been supplied with new ones.
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Post by Mark Vanderlinde-Abernathy on Sept 28, 2012 4:32:23 GMT
Jon, do you know why New Zealand rejected "Fury from the Deep"? Was it a quality issue with the films, or did they have issue with the content?
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Post by Jon Preddle on Sept 28, 2012 5:10:20 GMT
Jon, do you know why New Zealand rejected "Fury from the Deep"? Was it a quality issue with the films, or did they have issue with the content? It was rejected by the programme buyers rather than the censors. The only reasons why the buyers would do so was if the programme did not meet with their quality controls in term of content. (It wasn't due to a substandard print, as they'd simply have sourced a replacement.) I have a pet-theory that it was due to the story painting a not-so-positive picture of natural gas as an energy source - coming at a time when (this was 1970) the NZ government was finalising deals with British Petroleum to tap the newly discovered Maui Gas field off the coast of NZ - and that as a state-owned broadcaster, it would not have been be wise for the NZBC to buy a TV programme about sea-weed monsters living inside gas-rigs!
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Post by George D on Sept 29, 2012 2:28:51 GMT
ahh.. politics do have an interesting way in working their self into fiction.
Very nice trivia
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Post by paulaustin on Sept 29, 2012 12:55:37 GMT
I'm puzzled as to why broadcasters would show episodes with bits cut out of them by AU/NZ censors rather than request uncut prints
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Sept 29, 2012 16:27:46 GMT
I'm puzzled as to why broadcasters would show episodes with bits cut out of them by AU/NZ censors rather than request uncut prints They didn't pay much for the rights... and regardless, they may not have noticed. Doctor Who was just another in a long list of titles they screened. Paul
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Post by Jon Preddle on Sept 30, 2012 0:45:34 GMT
I've expanded and modified the table to include all the Troughtons.
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Post by George D on Oct 1, 2012 3:12:26 GMT
If these were cheap to show, im surprised they didnt get a lot more showing out of a print. It would have been nice if stations had shown these as a daily package with constant repeats within the 5 year period. Were these viewed as a prime time show or something for the children in a lower priced time slot? They didn't pay much for the rights... and regardless, they may not have noticed. Doctor Who was just another in a long list of titles they screened. Paul
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Post by Jon Preddle on Oct 1, 2012 5:04:01 GMT
Were these viewed as a prime time show or something for the children in a lower priced time slot? Different countries treated it differently: BPTV in Nigeria aired it at 9.15pm!, but a lot of countries aired it early evenings, around 5.30 / 6.00pm, so it was very much considered for children. In countries where TV was relatively new, particularly in the 60s and 70s, they only transmitted for so many hours each day, so were limited when they could place certain shows.
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Post by cjones on Oct 13, 2012 21:06:23 GMT
Yes, Always new lines of enquiry. Over the past 3 months in fact I've chased about 6 good leads, four with film collectors who thought they had DW material. All of them had DW related stuff, but no episodes and some are things we'd already chased years back. It's good to know how things have changed hands, but it doesn't add anything else to our knowledge of the life of syndication prints or ex BBC copies I'm afraid. Overseas, it's a different story. There have been general successes with non Doctor Who material; some you know about such as 'The Sky at Night' and I can reveal that a lost light entertainment show was located in a foreign archive...however, I can't say what it is at the moment for two reasons. Firstly, the film is so vinegar that it is swimming in a tar like substance. Both the BFi and the BBC have examined it and say they can't do anything with it. Secondly, I'm going to have one final last minute extreme attempt at getting something off it and if I do it will be a great thing to have. Sorry I can't say more. But I'm as confident as I can be that specific areas have been exhausted when it comes to the search overseas for DW. Paul As an adjunct to the above - how did you get on with the vinegared print?
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Oct 13, 2012 21:48:57 GMT
As an adjunct to the above - how did you get on with the vinegared print? It's still a work in progress... Paul
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Post by cjones on Oct 14, 2012 16:55:01 GMT
Well, the very best of luck - whatever it is! Also, I take it that even if you don't get anything off it, you won't automatically bin it, but store it in as stable an environment as possible against some future technological breakthrough that would allow some material to be recovered. Cf.: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Villa_of_the_PapyriBack in the 1800s, some over-zealous scholars tried to 'read' some of these ancient charred papyri, believing that the worst that could happen would be that they would crumble into bits (which they did). What they didn't know was that we would develop the technology (multi-spectral imaging) to read at least part of the charred material. It seems unlikely, but maybe in the future there'll be a way to recover film that is presently irrecoverable.
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