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Post by John Green on Aug 1, 2012 15:41:00 GMT
A gentleman by the name of StanButler (if that isn't a contradiction in terms) has raised the subject on the MC site.He mentions that the Wikipedia entry suggests that all the episodes of the B&S spin-off 'Foreign Affairs' aren't lost,with two "in the archives as of 2011". The Wikiite also gives a title 'Back Pay' for the first-season finale of B&S,though the 23/6/1961 broadcast is thought by many to have been a repeat. There are also release dates for the remaining series into 2015.
I have to ask: despite the Wiki source: is there any reason for thinking that this isn't BS?
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Post by Dean Williams on Aug 2, 2012 7:35:04 GMT
Don't know whether the archive status of the first two episodes of Foreign Affairs on Wiki is correct or not. As for Back Pay, that would have been an original episode but no-one seems to be able to tell from records whether it went out and was then lost or whether it wasn't even made and a repeat broadcast that week. As for the release schedule, that's likely just someone filling in a proposed schedule based on nothing but wishful thinking. Bottle Boys was claimed to be coming out from Network too on Wikipedia although Network have never announced it and now it has been removed. People that have contacted Network have had responses to the effect that there are currently no plans for further releases of B&S which doesn't mean they won't be forthcoming, just that they're not currently scheduled. As for stanbutler, he definitely is a gentleman. I should know, I he!
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Post by John Green on Aug 2, 2012 14:56:04 GMT
Nice one. I don't suppose they did clip shows way back when? 'Back pay' would almost fit as a title.(Not as good as 'My Back Pages').
There was another 60s show called Foreign Affairs,no connection to B&S,but again all episodes are missing.
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Post by Dean Williams on Aug 2, 2012 15:12:06 GMT
I'm more inclined to believe it was a normal episode that either did go out and was lost or was held back whilst a repeat broadcast and then lost. The IMDB page for the episdoe has a cast credit for actor Keith Pyott as a 'Solicitor'. He doesn't feature in any other episodes which makes me believe the episode is unique.
With a title like 'Back Pay' and a solicitor in the episode I'd be inclined to believe that Bootsie & Snudge see a solicitor perhaps with a view of suing over back pay that hasn't been paid to them yet?
But again that doesn't clear up whether it went out or was held back for some reason.
The other Foreign Affairs series was in 1966 (the B&S one was 1964). That starred Leslie Phillips and Richard O'Sullivan as Embassay staff at the British Embassy in Moscow, with Ronnie Barker as a Russian. Shame that's missing too as it sounds rather splendid!
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Post by John Green on Aug 2, 2012 21:25:20 GMT
Anyone considering trying this series can still enjoy 39 episodes on the Network season one set.(Some of those first series back then were very long). Clive Dunn does his old geezer act a few years before Corporal Jones,Bill Fraser later played a Doctor Who villain,Alfie Bass does his usual Alfie Bass schtick... Buy it,and we could see series two released!
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Post by Christopher Perry on Aug 3, 2012 12:59:39 GMT
I asked ITV, Foreign Affairs is wiped.
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Post by Dean Williams on Aug 3, 2012 15:37:59 GMT
Cheers Christopher. That is a shame, although I suspected Lost Shows would be more reliable than Wikipedia!
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Post by John Green on Aug 3, 2012 17:12:24 GMT
Such a shame the Wikiite didn't say which archive they're in; then we could have gone and got 'em....
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Post by Dean Williams on Aug 3, 2012 17:36:13 GMT
Granada are generally good with their archive too, although 2/3rds of The Army Game are missing Bootsie is fairly well represented and so are most other Granada shows so it's unfortuante that the whole series has been lost in this case.
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Post by Ian Wegg on Aug 4, 2012 7:10:26 GMT
Wikipedia article fixed.
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Post by John Green on Aug 4, 2012 15:22:37 GMT
I so wish the other episodes had turned up. There's always a chance...
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Post by Ian Wegg on Aug 4, 2012 19:04:39 GMT
If you look at the Wikipedia article history you can see the original text was entered on 19 April 2010 by the prolific registered user Jack1956. He has a leave a message link on his talk page so you could ask him where he got his information from. If he can cite a source he can reinstate the article. ~iw
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Post by John Green on Aug 4, 2012 19:15:43 GMT
Thanks,Ian.I'll have a go.
p.s.I had a friend of a friend who's dad I believe, directed (some of) Freewheelers.This was in Southampton.I should have asked if there were any spare cans of film.
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Post by Ian Wegg on Aug 4, 2012 22:25:42 GMT
p.s.I had a friend of a friend who's dad I believe, directed (some of) Freewheelers.This was in Southampton.I should have asked if there were any spare cans of film. That's interesting, do you remember his name by any chance? A great deal of the location film for Freewheelers was saved by the film editor Mike Womersley who very thoughtfully lodged copies from the missing episodes at the Wessex Film archive. I have never managed to see anything from the illusive motor racing themed series 5 from 1971 though. ~iw
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Post by John Green on Aug 4, 2012 22:54:41 GMT
Coo.It was about 40 years ago.The friend of a friend was his girlfriend.Lived in a posh part of town compared to my council estate.Along The Avenue by the Common.I have the very slightest memory that her surname was...Smith! I wasn't a great fan of Freewheelers,so didn't take a lot of notice.Apart from the DVD release I've only seen the mini clip on a Children's TV of the 70s compilation tape.I convinced myself it showed scenes of Southampton...
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