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Post by simonashby on Oct 21, 2012 18:36:21 GMT
Oh dear. Please not more revisitations. Obviously no-one would ever want an even better version if it were possible in the future. No-one would ever want that. No way. ... |
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Post by Simon Smith on Oct 22, 2012 20:11:55 GMT
What people don't want is to feel ripped off. In the case of a juddery b+w getting Vidfired is one thing. But here's a DVD that's JUST been released, any someone is already mentioning the revisitation! So why rush it now then? It's been 42+ years, we could have survived another year or so! We have reached the stage now where everything(except 'The Lion'!) is superb quality and any improvements would be negligible, and appealing only to the kind of mind who "needs" modern CGI in order to follow a story made in the 60's or 70's! I honestly believe that, barring some MAJOR advance in technology or discovery of lost master tapes, any "improvements" from this point on are just a way of squeezing more money out of the fans.
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Post by Simon Smith on Oct 22, 2012 20:14:00 GMT
Oh dear. Please not more revisitations. Huh? Have you posted in the wrong thread? No. |
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Post by John Harwood (bjblackpool) on Oct 23, 2012 17:44:44 GMT
What people don't want is to feel ripped off. In the case of a juddery b+w getting Vidfired is one thing. But here's a DVD that's JUST been released, any someone is already mentioning the revisitation! So why rush it now then? It's been 42+ years, we could have survived another year or so! We have reached the stage now where everything(except 'The Lion'!) is superb quality and any improvements would be negligible, and appealing only to the kind of mind who "needs" modern CGI in order to follow a story made in the 60's or 70's! I honestly believe that, barring some MAJOR advance in technology or discovery of lost master tapes, any "improvements" from this point on are just a way of squeezing more money out of the fans. We haven't "reached the stage now where everything...is superb quality": the most obvious example is the sub-standard colour on part one of Invasion of the Dinosaurs, but there's also a fair number of Pertwee episodes sourced from NTSC Quads which can now be significantly improved - Monday saw the release of one of them, the revisited Claws of Axos, and if you haven't seen it yet take it from me that the improvement to episodes 2 & 3 is nothing short of jaw-dropping (I'm seriously looking forward to the similarly breathed-upon Inferno next year). I'd also note that all the revisitations to date have been for titles released ten years previously - generations ago in home entertainment terms. I'm also a bit puzzled about your bringing CGI into the equation: as far as I can recall, CGI "improvements" (sometimes pointless - like Battlefield and Enlightenment - sometimes genuinely enhancing the experience - Day of the Daleks - and occasionally answering the prayers of a generation by removing the draught-excluder from Kinda!) have all been on initial releases, not revisitations. In the end, the answer is simple enough: if you feel happy with the first release, don't buy the revisit. |
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Post by John Wall on Oct 23, 2012 18:55:29 GMT
I wonder if there will be a revisitation of The Visitation  ? |
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Post by Simon Smith on Oct 26, 2012 8:11:34 GMT
What people don't want is to feel ripped off. In the case of a juddery b+w getting Vidfired is one thing. But here's a DVD that's JUST been released, any someone is already mentioning the revisitation! So why rush it now then? It's been 42+ years, we could have survived another year or so! We have reached the stage now where everything(except 'The Lion'!) is superb quality and any improvements would be negligible, and appealing only to the kind of mind who "needs" modern CGI in order to follow a story made in the 60's or 70's! I honestly believe that, barring some MAJOR advance in technology or discovery of lost master tapes, any "improvements" from this point on are just a way of squeezing more money out of the fans. We haven't "reached the stage now where everything...is superb quality": the most obvious example is the sub-standard colour on part one of Invasion of the Dinosaurs, but there's also a fair number of Pertwee episodes sourced from NTSC Quads which can now be significantly improved - Monday saw the release of one of them, the revisited Claws of Axos, and if you haven't seen it yet take it from me that the improvement to episodes 2 & 3 is nothing short of jaw-dropping (I'm seriously looking forward to the similarly breathed-upon Inferno next year). I'd also note that all the revisitations to date have been for titles released ten years previously - generations ago in home entertainment terms. I'm also a bit puzzled about your bringing CGI into the equation: as far as I can recall, CGI "improvements" (sometimes pointless - like Battlefield and Enlightenment - sometimes genuinely enhancing the experience - Day of the Daleks - and occasionally answering the prayers of a generation by removing the draught-excluder from Kinda!) have all been on initial releases, not revisitations. In the end, the answer is simple enough: if you feel happy with the first release, don't buy the revisit. It means that certain people can't enjoy a programme unless it looks totally "modern". Of course, that changes all the time. We managed to survive for how many years watching these prints as they were. And I am far more likely to be put off by something where everything looks like the 70's, except for some horribly conspicuous modern CGI efefct that doesn't look like it belongs there at all, then I am by "old-fashioned" effects. Don't get me wrong. The work the Restoration Team has done in restoring old Doctor Who is nothing short of brilliant. Some juddery, scratchy old prints now look very very close to their original videotape airings. Some Pertwees that looked like they were destined to be b&w prints now very closely resemble their original colour videotapes. My praise and crongratulations can not be high enough. But, and this is the crux of it, the Restoration Team don't really have much more to do. There's Dinosaurs(as you mentioned), The Crusade 1(as I mentioned), and really very little else. twenty years ago the Restoration Teamw as started to try and match up off-sir NTSC colour videotapes with b&w film prints. In the two decades since, the RT have done an exceptional job, brining colour(and the videotape look/feel) to the Pertwees, cleaning up/Vidfiring/etc. the Hartnells/Troughtons, and even doing a top-notch job cleaning up/enhancing the off-air audios of missing episodes. But, after two decades of very hard work, and top results, unless some new prints turn up, there's not much more for the RT to do that needs doing. I'm sorry if I offend anyone here, but some of these "improvements" smack of people whose necessity is quickly disappearing trying to prove they are still required. I'd be far happier if the RT DIDN'T endlessly redo stuff with minor adjustments, which as we've already seen has been viewed as exploitation rather than dedication and love. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2012 15:44:51 GMT
I personally feel that the RT should next be employed to restore / upgrade some more of the BBC's quality programmes (e.g. Year Of The Sex Olympics and many other colour shows that currently only exist as b/w t/rs) by means of colour recovery, VidFire etc. etc. Not much chance of it happening, I wouldn't think, but it's what I'd like to see!  |
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Post by Richard Marple on Oct 26, 2012 16:50:11 GMT
Maybe doing some reverse conversions on shows that only exist on NTSC recording, ie Moonbase 3, Up Pompei.
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