I see that on Ebay there is another missing episode of british tv. It is at: cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3343661568&category=1477&rd=1 and even has pictures from the episode. Kal lists this as missing so why hasn't this been mentioned here before??? I thought you were all supposed to be dedicated missing episode hunters! It doesn't even have any bids yet. I would bid myself but 1. I don't have a projector to play it on and 2. I'm flat broke at the moment and won't get my student loan for about another month.
I bet a follow-up to this message will be from one of the 'dedicated' episode hunters claiming that 'Ah yes, I already saw that' and then cursing because now other people know about it and they want to have it all to themselfs and get the credit for returning it to the archives.
Come on people, start putting some effort into looking for material - especially when it is right under your nose and available to everyone!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dubs is right - we're dedicated but most of us have budgets too! Whether we're a student without any money, or someone with a mortgage! I'm currently unemployed! Places like the BFI/NFTVA don't have budgets to bid on things like this, so yes it's up to the dedicated. The dedicated who have money to spare... (and to be honest, there's fewer and fewer of these around, in today's economic climate).
Perhaps when you have a job, and a mortgage, (and possibly a wife and kids?) it will be interesting to see how philanthropic you remain...
Well i'm in the same boat as Shaqui at the moment job wise - so I won't be bidding on this - the buy it now price is far too steep; Even so I have another missing show sitting here as we speak - "The Cheaters - Intent To Defraud ". I would imagine the serious bidders for this print are waiting as you should expect for the close of auction to put in their bids; if you observe the recent postings on behalf of Kaleidoscope and the "REG VARNEY" society! you'll note that eBay is being carefully monitored ( it's not exactly difficult, especially when the seller cotton's on to the fact that he should list an item as missing ).
Any missing item on eBay WILL be purchased by someone with good intent unless under the following circumstances
1) The high bidder is not one of the usual crowd and has other intentions for the item 2) The reserve price is set too high ( e.g. a possibly false listing some years ago of an episode of "at last the 1948 show" on 35mm with an opening price of $10,000 ) 3) The item is so inappropriately listed that no-one spots it.
The Reddifusion copyright appears to be owned by one company (which i cannot remember at present) .
As we are all aware the AR archive is possibly the most desolate of all the TV archives.So its rather bizzare that the copyright holders never make any attempt to retrieve this material or reissue what they do have?
As for having a projector to play it on, all the damage done to these prints over the years has been by playing them on some badly maintained wreck of a projector.
Typical of this country ! all the work that needs to be done Now! to save these shows and all the talent and knowledge that comes to these boards that is being wasted.
all the millions that are being fiddled everyday, all the millions the likes of Greg Dyke got after wrecking LWT. Yet just £1 million a year or less to the NFTA and they could employ about 20 extra people and new gear.
I too am in the position of being unable to afford to buy any of the missing episodes that come up for sale. However, just because I cannot afford this film does not mean to say that others should miss out on the opportunity to bid.
Even if you cannot afford to buy prints then you could at least mention their availablity on this forum - after all that is what is meant to be discussed here.
At the end of the day it does not matter who buys the print, just so long as it is returned safely to the archives.
Yes, I guite agree. Doesn't matter who gets the print as long as it's archive preservation is assured. Money from the TV companies to buy these prints back shouldn't be a problem - but it's us that have to suffer though ultimately because the official bodies don't fork up!
Post by Andy Henderson on Aug 24, 2003 14:09:44 GMT
If you were very cynical, you could argue that the archives know about the sales of these prints, ignore them and refuse to get involved as it would be seen as bad use of public money (buying back something which was thrown away). In theory at the present time, they can sit back and watch the 'fans' waste time and money until the print turns up on their doorstep. Of course, they might not even want the print to begin with. When all is said and done, these archives are underfunded and if you treat film donations as charity work then you get nearer to the virtue in the enterprise.
Post by Andy Henderson on Aug 24, 2003 15:45:32 GMT
Rex, did you think about asking someone who has before making a bid? It is an expensive and time consuming process (returning material to most archives). Are you prepared for the potential hassle and do you already collect 16mm films? If you don't you won't be able to watch the film for a long time. There will probably be people on here who are also interested in the print.
Post by Laurence Piper on Aug 24, 2003 16:11:44 GMT
I'm sure there are people here that would help you. Personally, I think it's better that someone naive or idealistic like yourself (i.e. that wanted to do the right thing with their own money to get a copy back to the archives) buys the thing rather than it going to someone who has contempt for the TV companies, the other fans and wishes to keep the print to themselves (there are too many of those already). Good on yer!