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Post by david1alp on May 5, 2012 21:47:17 GMT
Hi Guys, I am David Alp from Leicester and I am currently on a mission searching for a lost episode of "Sunday Night At The London Palladium" and have joined this site in order to track it down. I am hoping all you experts can help me. The episode in question was hosted by Jimmy Tarbuck and was broadcast live on January 19th 1969 via the ITV channel, (I think in those days it was ATV, but I cannot be sure?)... The star of the show that particular night was supposed to be Lena Horne. However she became ill and in-stepped Judy Garland to replace her as Garland was in London that winter appearing nightly at "The Talk Of The Town" nightclub. This was Garland's only night off; and there has been a lot of conjecture and gossip over the years (from people who saw the live transmission back in 1969) that she appeared to be having difficulties on-stage (ie, forgetting lyrics etc)?? This was apparently due to some backstage heckling just moments before her appearance. There was also the issue of Garland insisting the orchestra play her FULL 3 minute overture right in the middle of a fast paced live TV show such as this, so the cameras had nothing to focus on but the empty Palladium stage, giving the average TV viewer the impression that Judy was not going to appear? I have the full audio of her appearance on " Sunday Night at The London Palladium" 1969 (recorded on an old Reel to Reel tape recorder by a Judy fan), but not the video. The songs were as follows: 1, Full "Judy" Overture (3 mins) 2, "For Once In My Life (I have someone who needs me)" 3, "Get Happy" 4, "I Belong To London" (special material)I represent "The Judy Room" an online fan club for Judy Garland fans and we are all desperately trying to locate this video tape or film footage! It is kind of the " Holy Grail" of lost television appearances by Garland as it was her very last, and she died only 5 months later in June of 1969 so we really DO want to find it somehow. www.thejudyroom.com/I happened to notice with great excitement the thread titled Raiders TV Recoveries / Discoveries: 2007 on this site that someone in 2007 posted. According to this thread 21 minutes of this show have been found (??) so I am getting really excited about this?? Please follow that thread and then scroll down a bit and it reads as follows: Quote: The London Palladium Show – 21 mins material featuring Jimmy Tarbuck, Bill Clements, Freddie ‘Parrot Face’ Davies and Judy Garland from 19.1.1969However only 21 minutes from a full hour long show might not include Garland's segment? I will leave it there for now, and hope you can all help us to find this missing footage.
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Post by Brian Denton on May 5, 2012 22:22:57 GMT
Sorry Dave, can't help with finding the programme, but I do remember seeing it as a young kid. The MC kept saying "And now.....Judy Garland !" and nobody appeared. It was pretty excruciating.
Slightly off the subject, can anyone remember whether Tanya the baby elephant was still appearing on the Palladium this late?
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Post by david1alp on May 5, 2012 23:02:48 GMT
That's a real shame?? Can anyone else help me? It's so frustrating to know it exists somewhere attendant to the thread as mentioned above which states someone on this site has 21 minutes of it on tape.
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Post by George D on May 6, 2012 3:07:38 GMT
Im not sure the video status but its great news to know that the audio survives. Do you have other audios of tv shows from the 1950s and 1960s?
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Post by Alan Turrell on May 6, 2012 8:14:18 GMT
Chris Perry of kaleidoscope or Laurence might be able to point you in the right direction about this .
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2012 9:55:31 GMT
Yes I think the domestic off-air video footage from this edition doesn't - ironically - include anything from the Garland segment. Sorry to get your hopes up, David. Chris Perry from Kaleidoscope will probably be able to tell you more though.
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Post by Peter Stirling on May 6, 2012 11:46:58 GMT
David
Many doubt it was recorded in the first place and even it was, Lew Grade was all ways ready to seize a selling opportunity like this, but he may have concluded that Judy was not at her best and that maybe the show was best forgotten for her sake? so it ended up in the eraser?
Straw clutching time-
IIRC the London region would show LPS live at around 7.30, but many other regions had got bored with LPS and were replaying it later on (STV after 10pm on some occasions) So a regional recording may exist somewhere? so there is always hope
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Post by Brian Denton on May 6, 2012 12:11:40 GMT
Yes, IIRC the show started later than 7.30 in Granada land, possibly 8.30.
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Post by david1alp on May 6, 2012 12:32:39 GMT
Hmmmm how frustrating.. One thing I need to tell you guys is this fact. The footage still survived as of 1972 (3 years later) because a small 15 second clip of it was used for the 1972 BBC "Omnibus" documentary on Garlands life. The clip was of excellent quality and showed Garland taking her bows after she had sung. So in 1972 it still existed. Peter, you are right, Judy was certainly not at her best. Here is the audio from YouTube which you can hear for yourself, she messes up at the end of "For Once In My Life" saying to the audience "Theres some kind of words there?? You might as well relax, alright!!!"www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHQYI41G4rc
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Post by Peter Stirling on May 6, 2012 15:08:53 GMT
Hmmmm how frustrating.. One thing I need to tell you guys is this fact. The footage still survived as of 1972 (3 years later) because a small 15 second clip of it was used for the 1972 BBC "Omnibus" documentary on Garlands life. The clip was of excellent quality and showed Garland taking her bows after she had sung. So in 1972 it still existed. Peter, you are right, Judy was certainly not at her best. Here is the audio from YouTube which you can hear for yourself, she messes up at the end of "For Once In My Life" saying to the audience "Theres some kind of words there?? You might as well relax, alright!!!"www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHQYI41G4rcOh well if you have actually seen it then that must be a good sign? If someone dies not long after a performance that gives it a good survival rating, as what happened with Billie Holiday's UK performance. I am sure its been tried already but in case not -you could try contacting 'ITN Source' www.itnsource.com/en/ they own the rights to the palladium shows and stuff is being found all the time
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Post by david1alp on May 6, 2012 18:46:14 GMT
Hmmmm how frustrating.. One thing I need to tell you guys is this fact. The footage still survived as of 1972 (3 years later) because a small 15 second clip of it was used for the 1972 BBC "Omnibus" documentary on Garlands life. The clip was of excellent quality and showed Garland taking her bows after she had sung. So in 1972 it still existed. Peter, you are right, Judy was certainly not at her best. Here is the audio from YouTube which you can hear for yourself, she messes up at the end of "For Once In My Life" saying to the audience "Theres some kind of words there?? You might as well relax, alright!!!"www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHQYI41G4rcOh well if you have actually seen it then that must be a good sign? If someone dies not long after a performance that gives it a good survival rating, as what happened with Billie Holiday's UK performance. I am sure its been tried already but in case not -you could try contacting 'ITN Source' www.itnsource.com/en/ they own the rights to the palladium shows and stuff is being found all the time Hi Peter, yes I hope it is a "good sign" that the footage was still in existance in 1972 attendant to the " Omnibus" TV documentary? but I am worried and concerned as others have tried, and failed to trace it since then; and in all the Garland biographies it is listed as "Lost"! Thank you so much for the link to ITN. I will try them.. That is a good point you mentioning that if someone dies soon after a performance it has a good survival rating, although having said that Judy was also on " Merv Griffin Show" in December 1968 twice, and both of those colour TV appearances have also disappeared?? Once again however I DO have the audio. How do I get into contact with Chris Perry of kaleidoscope? And also, what is Kaleidoscope?
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Post by Ken Griffin on May 6, 2012 21:16:53 GMT
So a regional recording may exist somewhere? Judging by that's night TV listings, there was a four-way split on the network but probably two copies at most. 1. LWT, Granada, Harlech, Anglia, Grampian: 7.25pm [Live] 2. Border: 9.10pm 3. ATV, Yorkshire, Ulster, Westward, Channel: 10.20pm 4. Tyne Tees, Scottish, Southern: No screening Showing 1 was live and I guess that showing 3 was a single copy played out by ATV but showing 2 possibly was a recording made by Border - they were showing a film locally at that stage so it could have potentially been done.
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Post by david1alp on May 6, 2012 23:23:06 GMT
So a regional recording may exist somewhere? Judging by that's night TV listings, there was a four-way split on the network but probably two copies at most. 1. LWT, Granada, Harlech, Anglia, Grampian: 7.25pm [Live] 2. Border: 9.10pm 3. ATV, Yorkshire, Ulster, Westward, Channel: 10.20pm 4. Tyne Tees, Scottish, Southern: No screening Showing 1 was live and I guess that showing 3 was a single copy played out by ATV but showing 2 possibly was a recording made by Border - they were showing a film locally at that stage so it could have potentially been done. Wow, I am so impressed with all the help I'm receiving on this site! It's awesome. Ken where on earth did you get the above TV "listings" information? Do you have a link for me so I can ponder it for myself? I am so impressed considering it is a programme that was broadcast over 43 years ago. What is a "Regional Recording"? I don't understand a lot of these insider terms? (but thanks all the same, it's getting really exciting!)
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Post by Robert Belford on May 6, 2012 23:51:46 GMT
What is a "Regional Recording"? From the late 1950's ITV (channel 3) was a network of local/regional companies all over the UK. Each station could opt in or out of showing programmes that were networked nationwide. Presumably some chose to time-shift them on videotape by recording and transmitting later. Or I don't know if another company could have played back a recording later just for Border TV? I'm not sure how sophisticated the network system was.
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Post by Ken Griffin on May 7, 2012 11:02:49 GMT
Wow, I am so impressed with all the help I'm receiving on this site! It's awesome. Ken where on earth did you get the above TV "listings" information? Do you have a link for me so I can ponder it for myself? I am so impressed considering it is a programme that was broadcast over 43 years ago. If you have access to the Times online archive, you can get listings for a cross-section of regions - it just happens that they had 12 of the 14 listed the previous day. As for the remaining two, Channel would have shown what Westward screened for networking reasons while I obtained the Ulster listings from the Irish Times online archive.
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