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Post by Brad Phipps on Mar 10, 2012 20:46:03 GMT
Other than the two below, have there been any other generally accepted events of only-just-missed-out stories for episodes? Cyprus 1974: The Reign of Terror 4 & 5 destroyed in Turkish Invasion Sierra Leone ~1999: Galaxy 4 / The Myth Makers / The Massacre / The Celestial Toymaker / The Savages destroyed in civil war (don't mean to bring up sad memories
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Post by Alex Taylor on Mar 10, 2012 21:29:56 GMT
According to Wiped!, the 2" NTSC copies of 'Mind of Evil' were apparently returned to the BBC's Canadian office around the end of 1982, but were no longer there when the FVTL contacted them a few months later. Similarly Ian Levine recounted that he'd got in touch with someone at a US TV station just a few weeks after they'd junked their 2" tapes of 'The Daemons'.
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Post by Jon Preddle on Mar 10, 2012 22:06:54 GMT
One could say that the biggest 'near miss' was that Ian Levine didn't visit BBC Enterprises six years earlier than when he did...
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Post by dennywilson on Mar 11, 2012 2:51:56 GMT
According to Wiped!, the 2" NTSC copies of 'Mind of Evil' were apparently returned to the BBC's Canadian office around the end of 1982, but were no longer there when the FVTL contacted them a few months later. Similarly Ian Levine recounted that he'd got in touch with someone at a US TV station just a few weeks after they'd junked their 2" tapes of 'The Daemons'. But according to BroaDWcat, there's no record of "Mind of Evil" airing in the 1970's/early 1980's in Canada!
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Post by dennywilson on Mar 11, 2012 2:52:50 GMT
Sierra Leone ~1999: Galaxy 4 / The Myth Makers / The Massacre / The Celestial Toymaker / The Savages destroyed in civil war 1999? There's an actual date?
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Post by Jon Preddle on Mar 11, 2012 4:13:10 GMT
But according to BroaDWcat, there's no record of "Mind of Evil" airing in the 1970's/early 1980's in Canada! 'Mind' didn't air in Canada, true. But the BBC's Toronto office still would/could have been the agency that supplied the US stations with the NTSC tapes.
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Post by Brad Phipps on Mar 11, 2012 7:50:54 GMT
Sierra Leone ~1999: Galaxy 4 / The Myth Makers / The Massacre / The Celestial Toymaker / The Savages destroyed in civil war 1999? There's an actual date? I put the '~' in there to indicate 'roughly'. I think it was somewhere between 1999 and 2002 but if your name is Paul feel free to correct me.
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Post by Brad Phipps on Mar 11, 2012 7:52:01 GMT
One could say that the biggest 'near miss' was that Ian Levine didn't visit BBC Enterprises six years earlier than when he did... Would it have made a difference? They would've been more likely to listen to him in 1978 then 1972.
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Richard Develyn
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Post by Richard Develyn on Mar 11, 2012 11:09:30 GMT
When I was 13 (1976) I thought hard about writing to Jim'll Fix It saying "please can you fix it for me to watch some old episodes of Doctor Who" because I was massively into the target novelisations and I had never seen the episodes. Had I done so, and had he done so, things could have been quite different today, even if all that had happened was highlighting the junking that was taking place.
Oh well.
Richard
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Post by George D on Mar 11, 2012 14:06:28 GMT
Im still not over Sierra Leone Im still smelling that warehouse with the "Celestial Toymakers" being burned by those "savages" Im thinking of those prints sitting there buried helpless under that rubble in Sierra Leone as the rain anxiously desires to get into those cans. That truly was a real "massacre." I wish we were "myth makers" but its all too real It was the one in a million chance in this galaxy four us to find so many prints in one place after 1990 as most of the other countries were more thorough in destroying their prints in the 1970s.
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Post by adamjordan on Mar 11, 2012 16:05:07 GMT
Very good George With regards to general awareness at the time of vintage material being wiped, I always think of the Dudley Moor clip on Parkinson where Parky seems surprised that old Pete and Dud stuff has been lost. Also, the Monty Python team were tipped off pretty early on about their stuff being under imminent threat and having to smuggle it out to get it recorded. If only word had got out to the general public sooner? But then again, public outcry didn't save the Euston Arch.
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Post by John Harwood (bjblackpool) on Mar 11, 2012 17:14:03 GMT
Im still not over Sierra Leone Im still smelling that warehouse with the "Celestial Toymakers" being burned by those "savages" Im thinking of those prints sitting there buried helpless under that rubble in Sierra Leone as the rain anxiously desires to get into those cans. That truly was a real "massacre." I wish we were "myth makers" but its all too real It was the one in a million chance in this galaxy four us to find so many prints in one place after 1990 as most of the other countries were more thorough in destroying their prints in the 1970s. 50,000 people died in the Sierra Leone civil war: two and a half million had to flee their homes. Just a little context.
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Post by George D on Mar 11, 2012 17:37:19 GMT
The war was still a massacre and very savage.
Its interesting how selective the human mind is.. while every day millions are dying, we tend to focus more on those within our surroundings.
Its also interesting that while Doctor Who through its historicals has caused us to develop an interest in other times, places and characters, perhaps Dr Who through the Sierra Leone incident has caused us to develop an interest in the plight of the people of Sierra Leone? After this incident occurred, I read a little about Sierra Leone online. It was sad to read that when the uprising was small, they asked the british government for help to "nip it in the bud" but the government refused. Think how many lives would have been saved besides the history preserved, if the burocracy didnt turn a cold shoulder.
I fully understand the loss to the people of that country. Not just adults but the childrens lives ruined. Rather than compare one loss to another, I feel more comfortable sharing the common feeling that the war hurt many people throughout the world where a more peaceful solution would have been better. To me its not who was hurt the most or least. Rather to me, no one should ever have been hurt at all
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Post by Greg H on Mar 11, 2012 18:16:40 GMT
I have noticed a few posters here expressing their concern about human rights in sierra leone on this forum recently. I fully agree that the abuse of human rights is a terrible thing. I strongly urge those posters to take action by joining: www.amnesty.org.uk/and similar organisations. At such a point as this forum changes from being a forum about missing television episodes and becomes a forum about human rights I will whole heartedly join with them in protesting about posters here discussing the episodes of doctor who that were lost in sierra leone. Until such time as this forum changes it's name to the sierra leone attrocities forum, kindly STFU. I am a vegetarian and if anyone can be good enough to point me to posts I have made harping on about actors in doctor who not being vegetarian, please post links, otherwise drop the tedious pointing out of what a sad thing happened in sierra leone, because we all know about it already. Thanks
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Post by ajsmith on Mar 11, 2012 18:25:02 GMT
Another near miss is the NZ Marco Polo censor clips.. junked just before the others were discovered in 1996.. the censor clips were to be kept for 30 years then disposed of.. so the MP ons presumably went in 1994.
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