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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2011 18:10:04 GMT
Tell me if this is another granny sucking eggs scenario,It's inspired in part by some of this year's discoveries (In Town Tonight and the footage in local history/university archives). Has anyone surveyed how much of the country's audio/visual holdings outside the main TV companies' is catalogued? Quite a feasible idea what you are suggesting, to my mind. I've always thought that as all the obvious sources for missing material (for both Dr.Who and other series) are gradually looked at and ruled out, any further recoveries will need to dig deeper and look at less obvious archives, locations, organisations (ones which, on the surface, do not seem very fruitful or likely) and individuals. Despite many archives here and around the world already having been looked at, I doubt that anything like all such existing places will have been checked (or even catalogued). New archives that were previously unknown seem to be uncovered on a regular basis these days, particularly due to the net.
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Post by John Green on Dec 12, 2011 23:19:30 GMT
Thank you for the response.I also meant to ask if the National Viewers' and Listeners' Association had an archive? (The Captain Marvel comics are in the Churchill archive because of the campaign against horror comics). Do you get regular cross-referencing from other websites? For years I pined over the lost pre-war George Formby radio shows from Radio Luxembourg.Turns out someone discovered some of them in a loft in the 70s.When HE died his widow auctioned them and they came out on CDs a few weeks ago.You know about the 'live' unrecorded Formby BBC material that turned up this year. Don't tell me; you discovered it! Sorry if it's o.t.
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Dec 13, 2011 1:29:54 GMT
Tell me if this is another granny sucking eggs scenario,It's inspired in part by some of this year's discoveries (In Town Tonight and the footage in local history/university archives). Has anyone surveyed how much of the country's audio/visual holdings outside the main TV companies' is catalogued? Quite a feasible idea what you are suggesting, to my mind. I've always thought that as all the obvious sources for missing material (for both Dr.Who and other series) are gradually looked at and ruled out, any further recoveries will need to dig deeper and look at less obvious archives, locations, organisations (ones which, on the surface, do not seem very fruitful or likely) and individuals. Despite many archives here and around the world already having been looked at, I doubt that anything like all such existing places will have been checked (or even catalogued). New archives that were previously unknown seem to be uncovered on a regular basis these days, particularly due to the net. This year's finds have been some of the best ever - in Dr Who circles, and also in the area of music too. I've found quite a bit of stuff this year, and although most are DISCOVERIES rather than recoveries (i.e they exist in some form, rather than being missing, rather than back with the Beeb or Kal or ITN Source etc), I have never actually looked for any Dr Who, because I thought that was treading on toes. I firmly believe there is lots out there, particularly in the areas of music, educational programmes and drama. I have a number of leads and finds I am awaiting confirmation for. Don't get me wrong, Kaleidoscope and also people like Tim Disney and Paul are better at finding material, but ALL of us on the Forum can find stuff, and many have. In the case of the Dr Who finds, hopefully this will spur more people on to look for material. I shall start looking for Dr Who's next year, online. In the meantime if ANYONE has any ideas where I can search online, please let me know. New online archives come on stream all the time. The majority or my finds came from either scouring online archives (the Orson Welles, the Hughie Green and earliest kinescope find) or the too-maligned youtube (the recoveries of Black Gorilla and the Arrows on TOTP and the '79 Magpie being originally sourced from there). And more to the point - if you find anything that is missing please let Kaleidoscope know, or failing that one of the moderators of the Forum or even myself.
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Dec 13, 2011 1:36:48 GMT
Thank you for the response.I also meant to ask if the National Viewers' and Listeners' Association had an archive? (The Captain Marvel comics are in the Churchill archive because of the campaign against horror comics). Do you get regular cross-referencing from other websites? For years I pined over the lost pre-war George Formby radio shows from Radio Luxembourg.Turns out someone discovered some of them in a loft in the 70s.When HE died his widow auctioned them and they came out on CDs a few weeks ago.You know about the 'live' unrecorded Formby BBC material that turned up this year. Don't tell me; you discovered it! Sorry if it's o.t. Did you mean 'Stepping Out with Formby', his penultimate appearance? Yeah, that was me!!!!!!!! The BBC know about it - it's in the Huntley Archive. Sorry if that sounds like an ego trip. Maybe it is a bit, but the main thing is footage gets found safe and is preserved and in truth I couldn't give a monkey's if I don't find anything ever again myself, as long as MORE film gets preserved and saved. It's all about the footage and I really just want people to realize that if a short-arse guy from Bagshot can find missing footage, then why can't they! I just want to encourage people! Hopefully, I am. ;D
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Post by John Green on Dec 13, 2011 17:22:59 GMT
Well,I was pleased to hear about it! The George Formby sites seemed strangely muted,though. Again,contra-indicated.Broadcast live,never recorded?
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Dec 13, 2011 17:34:14 GMT
Well,I was pleased to hear about it! The George Formby sites seemed strangely muted,though. Again,contra-indicated.Broadcast live,never recorded? The BBC when I contacted them did not know that it had definitely been recorded! But they confirmed they did not have it. Then again, the Pathe archive had an early KINESCOPE which predates the ones the Beeb knew about! The main Formby site (georgeformby.org) does not list what is missing or not. While there is a lot of Formby on film form the cinema, he was a recording and film celebrity, and TV was still in its' infancy, so maybe that's why? By contrast my Arrows find (not all me, I hasten to add), the Bolan Saturday Scene final show, and the Welles find got a tad more attention.
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Post by John Green on Dec 13, 2011 17:39:49 GMT
Was I amazed to find mimi out-takes from my favourite Formby movie on Youtube.Wrong place to mention it,I'm sure,
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Post by danielm on Dec 13, 2011 20:51:38 GMT
Well, so glad to here about new discoveries, although news of Sierra Leone potentionally having had virtually all Hartnell Eps (besides Dalek Masterplan) was disappointing. I was wondering if anyone had checked the UCLA in America as i heard somewhere about them holding a massive archive.
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Dec 14, 2011 9:45:12 GMT
Well, so glad to here about new discoveries, although news of Sierra Leone potentionally having had virtually all Hartnell Eps (besides Dalek Masterplan) was disappointing. I was wondering if anyone had checked the UCLA in America as i heard somewhere about them holding a massive archive. I check UCLA on almost a monthly basis!
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Dec 14, 2011 12:09:43 GMT
Well,I was pleased to hear about it! The George Formby sites seemed strangely muted,though. Again,contra-indicated.Broadcast live,never recorded? The George Formby Appreciation Society have now been informed as of this morning.
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Post by John Green on Dec 14, 2011 16:55:04 GMT
Pity it was Gary Sparrow (in Goodnight,Sweetheart) who met George,rather than the Doctor! There was a very good article in The Vellum (the Formby mag.) telling how they got hold of Formby's farewell TV show. Someone from the BBC had been invited to one of the society's 'dos',and he asked if they had a copy of the show? Ended up with him bringing it along with him,and it's showing being the centrepiece of the weekend.
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Post by John F Brayshaw on Dec 15, 2011 2:50:02 GMT
UCLA has been mentioned, so has anyone checked the University Libraries collections in Canada? Maybe some of the Troughton eps could be found there?
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Post by John Andersen on Dec 15, 2011 4:58:13 GMT
UCLA has been mentioned, so has anyone checked the University Libraries collections in Canada? Maybe some of the Troughton eps could be found there? I don't see how any lost Troughton prints could be in any libraries in Canada or America because neither country brought Troughton episodes until the 80s. A recovery like that in North America would require a miracle.
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Post by John Green on Dec 15, 2011 16:05:44 GMT
Perhaps it's worth remembering that although there's no direct link (the early Who's weren't sold to the U.S.) there's been almost half a century for material to pass into intermediate hands.
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Post by Jon Preddle on Dec 15, 2011 20:04:41 GMT
Perhaps it's worth remembering that although there's no direct link (the early Who's weren't sold to the U.S.) there's been almost half a century for material to pass into intermediate hands. The problem with that sort of logic is, you'd end up thinking lost episodes that were sent to Ghana could have been passed into intermediate hands and ended up in Somalia, so why not look there as well...
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