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Post by andymckinney on Jan 3, 2012 18:57:18 GMT
It's highly unlikely any '60s Who would be here in the US, but then again, there was that episode-and-a-bit from Ian Hendry's series of "The Avengers" (which was NEVER broadcast in the US) that turned up at UCLA's archive, so I supposed though unlikely, anything is possible.
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Post by Ed Brown on Feb 21, 2017 15:22:31 GMT
It's highly unlikely any '60s Who would be here in the US, but then again, there was that episode-and-a-bit from Ian Hendry's series of "The Avengers" (which was NEVER broadcast in the US) that turned up at UCLA's archive, so I supposed though unlikely, anything is possible. UCLA Los Angeles is the nearest thing - geographically speaking - to an independent film archive in Hollywood, so there is nothing surprising about film holdings which are not owned by the local Hollywood Studios (e.g. British films) turning up there.
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Post by lousingh on Feb 24, 2017 23:39:34 GMT
It's highly unlikely any '60s Who would be here in the US, but then again, there was that episode-and-a-bit from Ian Hendry's series of "The Avengers" (which was NEVER broadcast in the US) that turned up at UCLA's archive, so I supposed though unlikely, anything is possible. UCLA Los Angeles is the nearest thing - geographically speaking - to an independent film archive in Hollywood, so there is nothing surprising about film holdings which are not owned by the local Hollywood Studios (e.g. British films) turning up there. Do we have any evidence that tells us to which countries BBC *tried* to sell Doctor Who? Someone once told me that for such a sale, the company would send a full episode or, in the case of a serial, a full story. I still think that British embassies and consulates in the countries where prints have been located are prime locations for some old film to land. (Weren't there solid rumours that armed forces members were able to watch the odd Doctor Who when they were stationed overseas? If so, then a reasonable place for that film to eventually land would be the Embassy or some other consulate in the country.) The only problem is that access is likely to be very limited.
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Post by Ken Jacowitz on Mar 2, 2017 3:41:11 GMT
Oe of the first print issues of the American Cinefantastique Magazine , which would make it 1970-1972, had a small story about this show called Doctor Who that the BBC was trying to interest WABC, local ABC affiliate in New York City. I remember a picture of Pertwee. By all accounts Tom Baker was the first Doctor to be broadcast in America. But this begs the question was Pertwee the first Doctor marketed to America, and what happened to the Pertwee episodes that were sent to New York City? What else might have been sent along. True they may have only been sent Pertwee which otherwise exist. But maybe ABC still retains colour copies superior to what currently is known to exist
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Post by Nicholas Fitzpatrick on Mar 2, 2017 6:31:00 GMT
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Post by stephenwit1 on Mar 2, 2017 17:05:57 GMT
Channel 9 NYC- Would play Tom Baker-Doctor Who on Saturday Mornings. Then later that year PBS Stations starting playing DOCTOR WHO-Tom Baker and a few years later with Jon Pertwee. After that was Peter Davison and then William Hartnel and Patrick Troughton.
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Post by stephenwit1 on Mar 2, 2017 17:11:49 GMT
Famous Monsters Magazine did an article about DOCTOR WHO COMING TO AMERICA with Jon Pertwee pictures in the early 70's.
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Post by Sue Butcher on Mar 4, 2017 12:32:36 GMT
I've got that issue of FM, which has lots of Dr Who monster pics of course, and tells readers that "Daleks" is pronounced "Doll-X". Near enough in America, I guess.
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Post by John Green on Mar 4, 2017 23:36:20 GMT
I've got that issue of FM, which has lots of Dr Who monster pics of course, and tells readers that "Daleks" is pronounced "Doll-X". Near enough in America, I guess. Doll-X sounds more like something you'd find in the small-ads!
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Post by Ed Brown on Mar 8, 2017 18:37:27 GMT
True they may have only been sent Pertwee which otherwise exist. Just for the record, there are no Pertwee episodes that don't exist. BBC has held (at least since 1981) either a PAL-625 colour VT or 16mm b/w film telerecording of every Pertwee episode. One of the first print issues of the American Cinefantastique Magazine, which would make it 1970-1972, had a small story about this show called Doctor Who that the BBC was trying to interest WABC, local ABC affiliate in New York City ... [but] was Pertwee the first Doctor marketed to America, and what happened to the Pertwee episodes that were sent to New York City? What else might have been sent along ... maybe ABC still retains colour copies superior to what currently is known to exist Because the UK tv system is PAL 625 line, all colour videotapes of Pertwee episodes that were sold to tv stations in North America were converted in London to NTSC 525 line before being sent. So we can never hope to recover a PAL 625 line master tape from North America. And some of the Canadian tapes returned to London were in a shockingly degraded condition ('Curse of Peladon' especially), even though they'd been in the sole possession of an actual tv station. We've a better chance of recovering 625-line colour VT in places like Australia or NZ, or other commonwealth countries which had a 625 line system. The fact that Australia only started its 625 line service in 1975 meant that initial sales of Pertwee episodes were on 16mm b/w film; but we might yet find clips from lost colour VT in post-1975 Australian/NZ shows, in the same way that a colour VT clip from 'Terror of the Autons' was recovered from a 1970s edition of the BBC programme 'Nationwide'.
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Post by Sue Butcher on Mar 13, 2017 0:45:13 GMT
Just to get technical Ed, Australian TV was 625-line right from the start in 1956. It wasn't colour until 1975, so up till then black and white 16mm copies were the best choice for distribution across the country. 16mm reels are much lighter than 2-inch colour tapes, and until the mid 70s not all stations were equipment to transmit from colour tape.
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Post by Arthur Chim on Mar 13, 2017 8:15:34 GMT
...and 16mm telerecordings would be cheaper than 2 inch quad tape.
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Post by Sue Butcher on Mar 19, 2017 1:21:54 GMT
...and 16mm telerecordings would be cheaper than 2 inch quad tape. Probably, but since you can wipe tape and reuse it you'd get more for the money.
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Post by Ed Brown on Mar 29, 2017 16:23:09 GMT
...and 16mm telerecordings would be cheaper than 2 inch quad tape. Probably, but since you can wipe tape and reuse it you'd get more for the money. Can't quite see how the ease of wiping videotape improves the chances of colour Pertwee episodes surviving on videotape. Can't quite see, either, why the fact ABC used b/w PAL before 1975 improves the chances of colour episodes surviving. The only significant point I was making is that short clips - not entire episodes - might still exist as inserts in longer programmes in the ABC's archives, in the same way that short colour clips found their way into BBC programmes. Nationwide is one example of a BBC programme that a colour clip was used in. Blue Peter is an example of a BBC programme that short b/w clips were included in. Another interesting question is whether any of the Hartnell serials (some of which were aired in Canada in the 1960s) were ever marketed to tv stations across the border in the USA. Surviving BBC written records are patchy.
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Post by Sue Butcher on Apr 1, 2017 6:19:34 GMT
Because the ABC was 625-line PAL mono from the beginning, there was no standards conflict preventing them from buying 625-line colour tapes as soon as they became available from the BBC circa 1967, and then broadcasting them in mono. However, I think it was the economics of distribution and the lack of modern equipment at remote stations that kept them buying mostly 16mm copies for a while. But they could have bought certain programmes on colour tape well before colour change-over in 1975. I just wanted to make that clear.
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