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Post by Richard Marple on Apr 16, 2012 17:45:59 GMT
The situation is almost as complicated as the Batman TV series.
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Post by Alex Taylor on Apr 16, 2012 18:35:00 GMT
I have a complete copy of the episode here. Kal also hold a recording of it. That's great to know. Any idea if Uncle Travelling Matt presenting CITV exists? I have a very short clip of it - literally just a few seconds.
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Post by Steven Flavell on Apr 16, 2012 19:16:51 GMT
Aww that's a shame. I would think this is the sort of thing that would be wiped right away, if it was recorded at all. I seem to remember T.bag and T-Shirt presenting it as well.
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Post by Alex Taylor on Apr 16, 2012 21:03:32 GMT
It would have gone out live and so is unlikely to have been recorded at all, other than by viewers.
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Post by George D on Apr 18, 2012 12:26:54 GMT
Did anyone follow up on the lead I posted a few posts ago?
Im really surprised in the era of vcrs that all of these dont exist as home recordings somewhere.
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Post by Steve Williams on Apr 18, 2012 12:40:39 GMT
It would have gone out live and so is unlikely to have been recorded at all, other than by viewers. Up until 1987, all the Children's ITV continuity was pre-recorded, though presumably wiped quite soon after.
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Post by Alex Taylor on Apr 18, 2012 16:48:29 GMT
Did anyone follow up on the lead I posted a few posts ago? Im really surprised in the era of vcrs that all of these dont exist as home recordings somewhere. If you're referring to 'Admeek' then yes, it was followed up and Kal now have copies of both episodes. I'm not particularly surprised about the relatively small number of off-airs found to date - remember this was a kids' show, most episodes were only shown once and while many were likely recorded for timeshifting it's unlikely they'd have been retained once the children grew out of Fraggle. My father recorded loads of stuff for my brother and I to watch when we were young, most of which has long since been recorded over now that we're both in our 30s :-) Hopefully there are more recordings out there, but most of those we have are either from the mid-80s VHS releases or from the collection of someone who actually worked on the show and thus had some reason to hold onto the recordings.
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Post by Steven Flavell on Apr 18, 2012 17:26:52 GMT
Up until 1987, all the Children's ITV continuity was pre-recorded, though presumably wiped quite soon after. I did wonder about this as a large number of clips were used in CITV's 20th anniversary celebrations.
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Post by George D on Apr 19, 2012 3:10:03 GMT
I remember when I was a kid, i would make audio recordings of tv shows to listen to at other times. In the usa there are people who recorded lots of shows. While I wish i recorded more in the early 1980s i started recording vhs tapes and accumulated a collection of apx. 600 tapes at 4-6 hour mode.. mainly tv shows..saving original commercials whenever possible. I know of collectors here who have recorded much bigger collections than myself of tv. Shame that the uk did not have counterparts.
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Post by David King on Apr 21, 2012 16:12:23 GMT
Having seen the various entries above, I thought I'd add my bit on Fraggle Rock. For those that are interested, I've done some research into some TVS records.
As previous stated in other entries, there were 96 shows in total and these were sub-divided into series and each had its own series number as well as its overall number in the 96. Also, the recording episode number held good, achieving 48 after series II but then jumped six numbers with series III starting at 55 and ending at 78. An actual episode number as part the production number seems to have been abandoned after that, with a different numbering system being used.
Series I - 24 shows Series II - 24 shows Series III - 24 shows Series IV - 24 shows were made but in practice, only the first 12 were transmitted as series IV with the remainder called series V.
It should be pointed out that the show recording order wasn't necessarily the transmission order, as some shows were moved about to achieve a better spread as regards "strength and content". Also, the original transmission dates planned, shortly after recording, were not always achieved, particularly for series I where the first 15 had a part network repeat before the last 9 had their first airing. These 9 then ran directly into the first 14 of series II. There was some debate, it seems, as to the wisdom of running one series into another as some set changes had taken place. ITV/HIT were apparently happy with this as the last 9 of series I were thought to be amongst the strongest.
The only show to have 3 airings on ITV was "The Bells of Fraggle Rock" Christmas show. It seems each episode could have up to 2 airings on ITV and a further one on Channel 4, as may well have been the case when ITV and Channel 4 were more "linked" than they are today. Obviously this hurdle was overcome for the third showing of "The Bells of Fraggle Rock" on ITV.
As far as other aspects of the programme are concerned, I have been able to find all the transmission VTR numbers and 1 inch master tape numbers. However, I have no idea where the tapes are. The shows probably still exist on 1 inch tape, maybe at Disney or elsewhere, since to digitise them would indicate they were likely to be used, which doesn't seem to be the case. There is no evidence that protection copies were made but at least there is evidence some shows were copied and sent to HIT i.e. 25, 26, 28, 29, 30, 31, 33, 34, 40, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, & 48. Also, some 1 inch dubs were made to service UTV and Tyne Tees during the 1984 autumn repeat of the first 15 shows from series I but I should imagine these were long since returned and erased.
I also have no idea where the paperwork is relating to rights/ artists agreements and residuals etc. This should have accompanied the tapes initially to The Family Channel and beyond but as with moving archives around, not everything stays together.
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Post by Ken Griffin on Apr 22, 2012 12:54:23 GMT
The UTV tapes were sent back to TVS.
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Post by George D on Apr 24, 2012 3:49:14 GMT
when there is only one copy existing then the risk remains of someone dumping it thinking they're not different than the american versions. I think its something that should be located.
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Post by Alex Taylor on Apr 25, 2012 22:30:57 GMT
Enquiries are underway to find out whether Henson are aware of either the BFI's little collection or the ex-TVS library.
On a related note, apparently Fulton Mackay and Sprocket appeared on the 1984 Children’s Royal Variety Performance - does a recording of this still exist anywhere?
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Apr 26, 2012 7:59:07 GMT
I believe it exists.
There are several Children's Royal Variety Performances listed on lostshows.com.
I think this is one that survives. 95% certain.
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Post by Alex Taylor on Apr 26, 2012 12:08:32 GMT
Thanks, Ray :-) I take it the show isn't available publically?
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