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Post by robinore on Jun 26, 2019 14:19:24 GMT
I've read that the Guinness book authors have claimed publicly (not in the books) that they chose Record Retailer to represent the 60s because it had a Top 50 chart every week, as opposed to say Melody Maker which only had a full Top 50 for half of the 60s. But having more chart positions does not make you a more accurate chart. It does give you more records and artists than a Top 30 chart, and there is something to be said for that. But Record Retailer's low record shop sample rate (compared to the other music papers) produced the least accurate chart, and the chart that disagreed the most often with all the other charts. In the early 60s, Melody Maker was sampling 5 times the number of record shops as Record Retailer, and 3 times as many by the late 60s. I did a statistical analysis of the #1 records, and the Top 10 records, across all 5 major 60s singles charts, in terms of peak chart positions, and Record Retailer was the odd man out. It had twice the outliers than the overall best chart of the 60s, Melody Maker, and the greatest distances from the average. If Guinness and the Official Charts Co wanted the most representative chart for the 60s, they would have chosen Melody Maker. A good compromise would have been to use the Melody Maker chart as is, and then add in the lower chart positions from Record Retailer when Melody Maker wasn't a Top 50 chart. Then you would have both the most accurate chart for the upper positions, and all the records at the lower positions. FYI, the Official Charts Co did not declare Record Retailer as 'official' for the 60s until after 2001. Guinness books never declared them as 'official'. There were 4 chart books series that came out in the 70s (Rock File, Tony Jasper's Record Mirror, Clive Solomon's Record Hits, and Guinness). They all used a different combination of historical charts for the 50s & 60s, from among NME, Record Mirror, and Record Retailer. None of them agreed with each other. Plus NME had a short series of books in the 90s for their 40 years of charts. But as I said above, there was no 'official' national sales based chart before Feb 1969, and to say that there was 32 years after the fact is just plain false, made up out of thin air. If anyone would like to read more about this, go to this article by chart expert/guru Alan Smith "History of the 50s & 60s Charts" as originally published in Record Collector magazine in 2005, and last revised here in 2014: www.ukmix.org/showthread.php?98104But I digress. But I am still interested in this Pop Quiz TV episode, either a transcription, audio file, or video. I want to know the exact conversation of what was said. Thanks much!
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Post by Simon B Kelly on Jun 26, 2019 20:32:02 GMT
I'm trying to find info / a transcript / audio / or video of a question on Pop Quiz that resulted in a disagreement/argument. The question was: what was The Beatles first #1 record? I've been told that Dave Dee was on the show, and that he got into a 'heated' discussion with host Mike Read over the answer to this. And many BBC viewers wrote in to complain as well. It wasn't either of the shows that Dave Dee appeared in. I have complete copies of both and have just watched them back to back. The only mention of the Beatles was on the 1994 show where Dave Dee was played 3 different versions of "With A Little Help From My Friends". So, if the question was asked on Pop Quiz, it definitely wasn't with Dave Dee! I'll be re-watching the other Pop Quiz shows that I have in my collection soon and will let you know if I come across that question. I don't have every episode, though. I'll still missing eleven shows, and of the rest, seven of them are incomplete. I'm still hoping that one day the Beeb repeat the series or make it available on a streaming service...
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Post by robinore on Jun 27, 2019 12:20:56 GMT
I'm trying to find info / a transcript / audio / or video of a question on Pop Quiz that resulted in a disagreement/argument. The question was: what was The Beatles first #1 record? I've been told that Dave Dee was on the show, and that he got into a 'heated' discussion with host Mike Read over the answer to this. And many BBC viewers wrote in to complain as well. It wasn't either of the shows that Dave Dee appeared in. I have complete copies of both and have just watched them back to back. The only mention of the Beatles was on the 1994 show where Dave Dee was played 3 different versions of "With A Little Help From My Friends". So, if the question was asked on Pop Quiz, it definitely wasn't with Dave Dee! I'll be re-watching the other Pop Quiz shows that I have in my collection soon and will let you know if I come across that question. I don't have every episode, though. I'll still missing eleven shows, and of the rest, seven of them are incomplete. I'm still hoping that one day the Beeb repeat the series or make it available on a streaming service... Thanks so much Simon!! I'll have to go back to my source and ask if it was someone else on Pop Quiz, or Dave Dee on another show. Greatly appreciate it!!
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Post by robinore on Jun 28, 2019 14:16:52 GMT
I'm trying to find info / a transcript / audio / or video of a question on Pop Quiz that resulted in a disagreement/argument. The question was: what was The Beatles first #1 record? I've been told that Dave Dee was on the show, and that he got into a 'heated' discussion with host Mike Read over the answer to this. And many BBC viewers wrote in to complain as well. It wasn't either of the shows that Dave Dee appeared in. I have complete copies of both and have just watched them back to back. The only mention of the Beatles was on the 1994 show where Dave Dee was played 3 different versions of "With A Little Help From My Friends". So, if the question was asked on Pop Quiz, it definitely wasn't with Dave Dee! I'll be re-watching the other Pop Quiz shows that I have in my collection soon and will let you know if I come across that question. I don't have every episode, though. I'll still missing eleven shows, and of the rest, seven of them are incomplete. I'm still hoping that one day the Beeb repeat the series or make it available on a streaming service... Simon, I checked again with my source person. He is firm in his recollection that this "Beatles first #1" question involved Mike Read and Dave Dee. He recalls it was an early show, and because of this bogus rewrite of history (the falsehood that From Me To You was The Beatles first #1 and not Please Please Me), my source stopped watching the show in protest, and wrote to the BBC to complain. It is still vivid in his memory, although he cannot recall other details of the show. I'm wondering if this question might have been asked on the Christmas 1982 show, where 5 out of 6 rounds of questions were devoted to The Beatles? I can't find this show on YouTube, and you may not have it in your stash either. Though according to your posted documentation, the panel did not include Dave Dee. Could it be that this question may have been edited out of the Dave Dee 1984 show that you have? A mystery...
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Post by Simon B Kelly on Jun 28, 2019 21:05:13 GMT
I've just watched the Christmas 1982 show which included questions specially set by Paul McCartney and Ringo Starr, such as: Who played drums on the single version of Love Me Do? What is N.E.M.S. short for? (None of the contestants knew the answers to those questions!)
The only contentious question was: How many Number One singles did the Beatles have? Hank Marvin buzzed in first and said "Seventeen" which Mike said was correct. Obviously, if you include "Please Please Me" then they had 18 chart-toppers, but most sources still quote it as only 17, as that's how many they list in the Guinness Book of British Hit Singles compiled by Mike Read.
If it was an early show as your source recalls, then it's most likely to be that one, rather than either of the Dave Dee shows which were from 1984 (Series 4 and the last year Mike hosted the show) or 1994 (the TOTP special)
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Post by robinore on Jun 28, 2019 23:36:45 GMT
Fabulous, thanks Simon! I'll spread the word...
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Post by robinore on Jun 29, 2019 0:21:08 GMT
I've just watched the Christmas 1982 show which included questions specially set by Paul McCartney and Ringo Starr, such as: Who played drums on the single version of Love Me Do? What is N.E.M.S. short for? (None of the contestants knew the answers to those questions!) The only contentious question was: How many Number One singles did the Beatles have? Hank Marvin buzzed in first and said "Seventeen" which Mike said was correct. Obviously, if you include "Please Please Me" then they had 18 chart-toppers, but most sources still quote it as only 17, as that's how many they list in the Guinness Book of British Hit Singles compiled by Mike Read. If it was an early show as your source recalls, then it's most likely to be that one, rather than either of the Dave Dee shows where were from 1984 (Series 4 and the last year Mike hosted the show) or 1994 (the TOTP special) Simon, if I may ask a followup: Was that all there was to it, just a simple answer of 17, and everyone moved onto the next question? Or did Mike Read mention the Please Please Me vs. From Me To You squabble and what the 'official' chart said, and was there was a dust up/argument?
If it's not too much trouble, could you post the exact wording of the question and answer?
Thanks so much! History needs to know, ha...
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Post by Simon B Kelly on Jun 29, 2019 6:59:39 GMT
It was the quickfire round so it was just question, answer and move on. No debate or argument in the programme as broadcast 37 years ago. I'll upload a clip of that section when I get home from work later today so you can see it in context (the show itself features loads of Beatles music so would get blocked instantly). It would be worth checking newspapers and magazines published just after 28th December 1982 to see if any of them picked up on the historical disagreement.
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Post by robinore on Jun 29, 2019 12:06:24 GMT
Thanks Simon, I look forward to it!
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Post by robertreinstein on Jun 29, 2019 16:49:03 GMT
I've just watched the Christmas 1982 show which included questions specially set by Paul McCartney and Ringo Starr, such as: Who played drums on the single version of Love Me Do? What is N.E.M.S. short for? (None of the contestants knew the answers to those questions!) I believe that Mike Read read a reverse answer, saying that Andy White played on the single, and Ringo played on the LP.
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Post by Simon B Kelly on Jun 30, 2019 8:03:08 GMT
I believe that Mike Read read a reverse answer, saying that Andy White played on the single, and Ringo played on the LP. Indeed! And that was the question set by Ringo Starr who has always believed his version is on the album. The full quickfire round can be seen here:
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Post by robinore on Jun 30, 2019 11:09:37 GMT
That is so funny that even Ringo got it backwards, ha!
Thanks much Simon for the clip!! I'll forward it to Alan for his review, but I'm pretty sure he's going to say this is not the clip he remembers where Mike Read and Dave Dee get into a heated exchange over Please Please Me vs. From Me To You. Please do let us know if you find this during your re-watching.
Cheers all!
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Post by robinore on Jul 4, 2020 20:19:04 GMT
Hey Simon, I just saw a post on the facebook group "UK Charts: 1952 to 2020", and a poster from 4 years ago said that it was Mickie Most who got into a disagreement with Mike Read over The Beatles 1st #1 record. So from your website, that would be Season 2, Episode 7, = 22 May 1982, but your listing indicates the show is still missing / not yet recovered, ugh.
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Post by Simon B Kelly on Jul 4, 2020 20:38:55 GMT
It's not missing - just not available to the public at the moment. Hopefully, one day, we'll get to enjoy early episodes of Pop Quiz once again...
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Post by robinore on Jul 5, 2020 11:57:06 GMT
Thanks Simon.
Question: does anyone else have a memory of this episode, and can they confirm or deny that it was Mickie Most who got into a disagreement with Mike Read on Pop Quiz (22 May 82) about The Beatles 1st #1 record? (Please Please Me vs. From Me To You) It was a bit of a dust-up at the time, in the social media of the day, ha.
Or was it someone else on a different episode of Pop Quiz?
Cheers...
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