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Post by Jon Preddle on Jan 25, 2011 2:09:54 GMT
Also, going back to Oceania, I believe some US Pacific territories had TV prior to 1978, namely Guam, US Samoa and possibly the Northern Mariana Islands. Guam got the Pertwees in the 1970s. A truck-load of material was sent to American Samoa from New Zealand over the years - but mostly American film series, like Star Trek, Irwin Allen shows. Jon
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Jan 25, 2011 8:25:31 GMT
We don't want another incident like DWO did when they said they had three reliable sources saying that The Web of Fear had been found. That incident only led to a lot of animosity and bad feelings when DWO wouldn't provide their evidence to indicate why they believed that the episodes had been found. Exactly right. Also, please note that this is the third consecutive year we've had an Africa Progress thread. There's a good reason for that, but it doesn't mean that anything has been found. It does mean we're still working to get the job done properly and methodically. We are, it is. When we can say something we will, but I'm afraid it isn't going to be next week, next month or maybe not even this year. We don't know, so the message is don't hold your breath. If at the end of this we can come back and say there is nothing at all in Africa, then we've still been successful. We'll also be depressed, but hey, sometimes that's the way it is. Thanks for all the good wishes. Paul Of course, you'll let us all know if you find (and retrieve) any TOTPs or other shows, as well, right?
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Jan 25, 2011 10:28:43 GMT
Of course, you'll let us all know if you find (and retrieve) any TOTPs or other shows, as well, right? Anything that is recovered will be announced as soon as we can without compromising any ongoing research/recovery. That's how it's always been. Cheers, Paul
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Jan 25, 2011 11:22:14 GMT
Thanks Paul! All recoveries are good!
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Post by Douglas Wulf on Mar 15, 2011 6:08:09 GMT
It is wonderful that the countries of Africa are being investigated. Some of them, it seems, can now basically be crossed off the list since there appears to be nothing in the film archives there.
However, it would seem that there is at least a slight possibility of films somewhere existing in private hands in perhaps some of these countries. I wonder if a local appeal for 16mm BBC film prints has been considered, perhaps through the newspaper or some other way.
In particular, something could be tried in those countries where the bicycling trail of known prints is believed to have stopped and where the exact fate of the prints is not known for sure.
Yes, it is a grasping at straws sort of strategy, but perhaps something along those lines could be considered just in the very odd circumstance that there's a Zambian counterpart to Francis Watson out there with upwards of 74 missing episodes of Doctor Who under his bed! :-)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2011 11:40:33 GMT
What you say makes sense, Doug. If we have private film collectors here then why not also in African countries where DW was distributed? It's an approach that has never been explored and my view is that nothing should be discounted until it's been looked into.
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Post by Greg H on Mar 15, 2011 11:54:18 GMT
Perfectly sound reasoning in my opinion.
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Post by Ewan Montague on Mar 28, 2011 15:43:58 GMT
I know that a huge number of film collectors in this country know nothing of missing episodes, this possible resource is far from exhausted. my gut feeling is that there are some episodes still out there in private collectors (non hoarding variety), I narrowly missed a Crane a few years ago and none of the people I spoke to had any idea that it was a missing episode, in fact the seller said that TR's are hard to sell because most people don't want them.
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Post by Anthony Clark on Mar 28, 2011 19:22:55 GMT
Interesting observation – thanks for sharing.
I’ve never been big on conspiracy theories but what if what you say is true – and I’m sure it is – then perhaps there are copies in private hands. It’s just a matter of finding those hands, so to speak. Easier said than done I’d guess.
As for foreign archives – this current trawl will, I assume, be the end of it as no one will be going back over it all again. I’m sure it’s being done thoroughly so once it’s over I hope that will be an end to the “What about such-and-such a country?” debate.
Being a hopeless optimist I’m happy to believe that the current silence that surrounds the African search is a good sign… although there’s clearly no reason to believe this. Strike ‘optimist’ – insert ‘sad and deluded’?
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Post by Douglas Wulf on Mar 30, 2011 2:43:11 GMT
I'm currently helping another person prepare to teach in Zambia. This is the second such person that I've helped. I'm just going to tell her about the situation with lost BBC TV in general and that any old film cans (especially with the BBC label) that might be laying around in that country could be something valuable. It can't hurt to make her aware.
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Post by ddavis on Apr 1, 2011 10:58:39 GMT
Are the full catalogues of what was found in all these Zambian archives going to be published? Would be interesting reading!
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Post by davidthrelfall7 on Apr 12, 2011 21:31:44 GMT
Whats the latest on the search of African TV Station Archives? Have any countries been totally ruled out re missing Doctor Who episodes and which ones are left to contact and search?
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Post by anthonyforth on Apr 13, 2011 16:25:08 GMT
Don't know if you've seen this regarding distribution of The Avengers to South African film libraries in the 60s and 70s - aor.theavengers.tv/background_south_africa.htmJust wondered if it was possible such libraries existed among expats in other countries or whether BBC shows were distributed in South Africa.
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Post by Neil Lambess on Apr 22, 2011 13:01:59 GMT
Don't know if you've seen this regarding distribution of The Avengers to South African film libraries in the 60s and 70s - aor.theavengers.tv/background_south_africa.htmJust wondered if it was possible such libraries existed among expats in other countries or whether BBC shows were distributed in South Africa. thanks for finding that ! i saw it a few years back then couldnt locate it again. ive actually asked my dentist about the TV show distribution in south africa (as he was born there ) and he remembered the 16mm libraries and many shows that were seen that way (but mostly American....although he claims to have seen BBC Monty Python that way in the 70s ). here in New zealand we had a similar system with a company called 16mm ltd (an offshoot of Columbia pictures and the Kerridge Odeon cinema chain ,) they also rented several Avengers episodes , but that may have been linked to Kerridges cinema screenings of the early colour Emma Peels.... i have NZ Daybill cinema posters for ..Hidden Tiger, The Return of the Cybernauts , and Escape in Time, i also know Fear Merchants had a cinema release here. so its possible The Avengers was more activly distributed to rental libraries around the world. (and cinema chains) than other british shows?
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Post by vernon roberts on May 8, 2011 18:26:46 GMT
I was curious if any leads on any episodes being found and were any episodes ever sent to Korea or Iraq
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